Told you. Told ALL of you.
realitybites2 wrote:
They won't DQ all those girls, they can't
Told you. Told ALL of you.
realitybites2 wrote:
They won't DQ all those girls, they can't
hardset nipples wrote:
It really has zero impact on the outcome of the race if some of the runners ran 10m less than others, it's straight-up moronic to suggest otherwise.
0.1 second difference between first place (who cut in early) and second place (who was on the inside group of starters).
Are you saying you would not protest if you finished 2nd?
0.1 second difference between first place (who cut in early) and second place (who was on the inside group of starters).
Are you saying you would not protest if you finished 2nd?
Hell no. And if 1st place got DQed (given the exact same circumstances of today's race) I would give them my gold medal. Who the hell wants a gold medal on their shelf when they know with 100% certainty that they don't deserve it?
it's not up to the athletes. it's up to the coaches.
and i think ethiopia's coach will want the kenyan winner to get dq'd for running less than she should have.
really they should've called it back after the first 100m.
You're saying she couldn't have gone through 5000 0.1 faster? You're saying that if Masai had stayed in her alley through the break that she couldn't have still won? Stop looking at the time and the configuration and think about the realities of racing for a minute. It doesn't make a damn bit of difference.
runamile wrote:
hardset nipples wrote:It really has zero impact on the outcome of the race if some of the runners ran 10m less than others, it's straight-up moronic to suggest otherwise.
0.1 second difference between first place (who cut in early) and second place (who was on the inside group of starters).
Are you saying you would not protest if you finished 2nd?
Well said, hardset.
The contenders ran the first half of the race well off of their abilities, and to suggest that the configuration of the break would have played out differently because of the start is just ignorant of racing.
That said, would it have to invalidate a WR attempt? Probably.
it also doesn't make a difference if a hs'er wears a bracelet, but rules are rules.
it also probably wouldn't make a difference in the results if half the field started 5 seconds early, but that doesn't mean they should be allowed to.
if they let this stand, i hope the ethiopian men all cut in early.
hardset nipples wrote:
You're saying she couldn't have gone through 5000 0.1 faster? You're saying that if Masai had stayed in her alley through the break that she couldn't have still won? Stop looking at the time and the configuration and think about the realities of racing for a minute. It doesn't make a damn bit of difference.
wtf yes it does matter. it's the 10,000 meter final... not 9,999 meter final. if track wants legitimacy as a professional sport, you don't pretend this is some summer fun run 5k in the park where the distance doesn't really matter. those ladies are professional athletes and should be well aware of when to cut in and when not to.
the entire alley should be dq'd - it wouldn't be that hard to look at a replay a spot who actually cut in early. there should be no excuse for not knowing that when you're in the outside alley, you don't cut in until the first turn. it's bull if they don't get disqualified.
yes there were no cones on the track, which is likely why the ladies made the mistake
but they're F***ING PROFESSIONAL RUNNERS
they do this shit for a living.
how the F*** do you not know the rules
Thankfully this isn't a high school meet and the athletes get higher consideration than the officials do. Fact is, the officials allowed it to happen by not getting the cones out where they should be and then not calling the race back. This so-called "violation" neither helped nor hindered anyone, in reality, so it would be pointless to enforce it. No point in punishing any of the athletes for the screw-ups by the officials on the ground if it resulted in zero tangible difference in the outcome of the race.
Ummmm... ever heard of "context?"
uh_no wrote:
yes there were no cones on the track, which is likely why the ladies made the mistake
but they're F***ING PROFESSIONAL RUNNERS
they do this shit for a living.
how the F*** do you not know the rules
Obviously the head officials in Berlin - you know, the ones who run the sport at its highest levels - know better than you do.
9,999 Meter Final!! wrote:
wtf yes it does matter. it's the 10,000 meter final... not 9,999 meter final. if track wants legitimacy as a professional sport, you don't pretend this is some summer fun run 5k in the park where the distance doesn't really matter. those ladies are professional athletes and should be well aware of when to cut in and when not to.
the entire alley should be dq'd - it wouldn't be that hard to look at a replay a spot who actually cut in early. there should be no excuse for not knowing that when you're in the outside alley, you don't cut in until the first turn. it's bull if they don't get disqualified.
So if the scorekeeper tallies a 3 instead of a 2 for a team down by 30 points it doesn't really matter right? There's only 30 seconds left in the game. Who cares if an official screws up. Id didn't effect the outcome of the game.
Yet another reason why this sport lacks professionalism.
Alan
hardset nipples wrote:
Thankfully this isn't a high school meet and the athletes get higher consideration than the officials do. Fact is, the officials allowed it to happen by not getting the cones out where they should be and then not calling the race back. This so-called "violation" neither helped nor hindered anyone, in reality, so it would be pointless to enforce it. No point in punishing any of the athletes for the screw-ups by the officials on the ground if it resulted in zero tangible difference in the outcome of the race.
At least most high school athletes would know not to cut in too early.
How can you say the violation didn't affect anyone? Masai cut in early, Defar did not. Maybe Masai still would have won but her cutting in early cannot be ignored.
It's ridiculous not to enforce the rules. Period.
i'm pretty sure there was a cone... and other people on here seem to have seen it, too. even if there wasn't, it's not like there was a cone 50m in either, so there was no reason for them to think that that was the right place to cut in.
i think it would've been nice if they had called back the race, but there are probably rules regarding what they call back, and leaving your lane/alley probably isn't a situation where races get called back. or else anyone who got bad position off the line and wanted a race restarted could just step out of their area
to those who don't think they should get dq'd... do you think that for the rest of the meet, runners should be able to ignore rules and cut in whereever they want?
runners at this level need to know the rules and if something they're told sounds wrong to them, they should ask to clarify. certainly runners in the world championships shouldn't be held to a LOWER standard than high schoolers when it comes to understanding and following clear rules that are set out far in advance
hardset nipples wrote:
Obviously the head officials in Berlin - you know, the ones who run the sport at its highest levels - know better than you do.
Obviously they don't because they let this kind of violation happen in the first place.
Should PED users who don't medal still be disqualified?
Your non-adherence to the rules is ridiculous.
Track and Field just showed why nobody cares about Track and Field.
Your crackhead attempt at an analogy is yet another reason why this site is a joke. Go back to sucking down some muscle milk, tool.
Runningart2004 wrote:
So if the scorekeeper tallies a 3 instead of a 2 for a team down by 30 points it doesn't really matter right? There's only 30 seconds left in the game. Who cares if an official screws up. Id didn't effect the outcome of the game.
Yet another reason why this sport lacks professionalism.
Alan
It actually is more like 9,994 meters. But what is 6m in a 10,000? Answer - the difference between 1st and 2nd.
If we are going to legitimize our sport they should be DQ'ed.
Because I know the realities of racing, that's why. You obviously do not, all you know is how to read the rulebook.
9,999 Meter Final!! wrote:
hardset nipples wrote:Thankfully this isn't a high school meet and the athletes get higher consideration than the officials do. Fact is, the officials allowed it to happen by not getting the cones out where they should be and then not calling the race back. This so-called "violation" neither helped nor hindered anyone, in reality, so it would be pointless to enforce it. No point in punishing any of the athletes for the screw-ups by the officials on the ground if it resulted in zero tangible difference in the outcome of the race.
At least most high school athletes would know not to cut in too early.
How can you say the violation didn't affect anyone? Masai cut in early, Defar did not. Maybe Masai still would have won but her cutting in early cannot be ignored.
It's ridiculous not to enforce the rules. Period.
Can people really say that this shorter distance could not have made a difference. I have run races where I went out slow and in the last 800 it was a free for all and I was dead and I mean dead with about 20 meters to go and had to slow down. So here how do we know that this extra five steps could not have made a difference. Not to mention that if this doesn't happen the positioning of the entire race may have been different. Meaning that when everyone gets ready to go they could have been in different positions.