5 Jamaican Sprinters fail drugs tests

I didn't write that.

ukathleticscoach wrote:

on the runs wrote:

You are being manipulated if you think this proves anything. Just like in the NFL, claiming a super-awesome testing regimen, then catching a few people low(er) on the totem pole to save face, is the oldest game in the book. That way they can say "see??? we told you we tested everyone thoroughly!" without actually losing big name athletes.

If that's the case how come Jones got busted. I know she passed tests, but if you are covering up they would have covered the other angles as well

By the oldest game in the book, do you mean like with Johnson?[/quote]

What I want to know is when was the last time the USATF caught someone at the USA nationals. At least Jamaica is make a valid effort to send a clean team to WC. Besides the stimulant that these athletes was busted for is found in Nutrilite that the athletes were drinking

Justin Gatlin had a big mouth? Kelli White? Regina Jacobs?Got any other bullshit conspiracy theories you want to throw out there?

Buddy ballsack wrote:

coach vin wrote:

shawn merriman isnt a top tier name?

They bopped merriman because he has a big mouth. During his suspension an interviewer told him something to the effect of "stay off the juice, you're already nasty, you're gonna hurt someone." meirriman laughed and said "I gotta do what I gotta do."

So, incredible talent + big mouth = caught cheating and or blackballed

Mediocre talent = made an example off at no major loss to the organization

Incredible talent + ability to keep quiet = the good life

Bet the Jamaicans were a little bit nervous though.

"I thought if I took this in January I would never get caught" kinda thing.

IAAF can't take the hit, simple as that. Just like the Ethiopians.

Just think of all those Ethiopians on the cover of Sports Illustrated, or all those highlights of skinny Africans with odd names blowing away whites on ESPN. Yep, the general public would be so affected if one went down dirty!!!But Justin Gatlin, a guy that ESPN interrupted SportsCenter for, he's not too big. The IAAF could handle the 100m Olympic Champion and co-WR holder going down.That makes sense. So which Hollywood sound stage was it that they filmed the Apollo 11 mission?

trollism wrote:

Bet the Jamaicans were a little bit nervous though.

"I thought if I took this in January I would never get caught" kinda thing.

IAAF can't take the hit, simple as that. Just like the Ethiopians.

Agree with -on the runs-

The big difference "o-t-r" is that IAAF had "the good guy" in Asafa Powell - the son of a minister, the fun-loving guy from the beaches of Jamaica there as the foil to losing Justin Gatlin - the "bad guy" American that had already failed drug tests at college.

Gatlin went out, but Powell was there right at the top with him to carry the torch and keep the momentum up. I don't think the IAAF really lost that much sleep about that one.

Obviously this story will not involve Bolt, but the there is simply no comparison in what losing Gatlin meant to the sport as opposed to what losing Bolt would mean/DO to the sport.

Bolt is arguably the single most important athlete to ANY sport on the planet - the only other athletes comparable are Lance Armstrong and Tiger Woods.

Even if Bolt cheats, he will never get outed. Why do you think Marion Jones never failed a drug test (publicly anyway)? Do you really think anyone at the top of cycling thinks Lance is clean? Of course not, but look at the interest in the Tour this year with him back - he is simply so big he is UNTOUCHABLE.

Just like Bolt is. So conspiracy theories in this case are simply moot.

Trollism is right - the IAAF could not take a Bolt-positive hit.

What a complete joke.

Asafa Powell as a "good guy"? Do you have any idea what his habits are off track?

The IAAF wants to make money. It is far more lucrative to have an Olympic 100m champion and world record holder from America than from Jamaica. The US's GDP is more than a thousand times that of Jamaica. It's simple math. If there really was an agenda these days to protect major stars from positive test, Gatlin would have been at the top of the list. Your claims are baseless and without logic.

Marion Jones never failed a drug test because Trevor and his group was very judicious about her doping program. They stayed ahead of the curve for a long while. Before the days of WADA, while Primo was still in charge, sure. But not now. Major stars from the countries with the most potential capital to invest in the sport have all been busted: USA, Russia and the UK.

Again, which soundstage was it? Was it at Paramount?

What are Powells habits off the track

Jones was using 'the clear' like Chambers that's (at least partly) why she passed the tests

Lance wasn't untouchable when he won 1st time - he could have been busted then!

On the other hand consider cycling, in general. Non altitude born athletes, competing sometimes at altitude. Compare this to altitude born runners (East African) competing at sea level against non-altitude born runners Who need EPO more? This corresponds to the doping positive list.

Of course this recent news puts a doubt there, just like there is a doubt on any sprinter now running fast times from any country

It's difficult to prove someone is clean but I prefer to look at facts - failed drug test = guilty. Then we need to up the ban; 2 years is a joke.

I can't believe people are defending the Jamaicans.

Too many big names, e.g., Marion Jones, Jan Ullrich, were proven to have been cheating without ever failing a test to believe that no positive tests is proof of clean athletes.

Probability alone indicates that the odds of what the Jamaicans have accomplished, particularly in Beijing, are virtually nil. Only 2.8 million people live on that island folks. Do some research on populations, and even make some assumptions about participation rates and co-motivation to skew the odds. You still find an extremely suspicious set of recent results which are by themselves are "1 in nnn", and taken together are too much to be believed. (1st, 2nd, and 3rd in the women's 100m is the most clear)

MENS 100M RESULTS

Usain Bolt 9.86 London

Asafa Powell 9.97 London

Micheal Frater, 10.02 Monaco

Marvin Anderson 10.07

Steve Mullings 10.08

Yohan Blake 10.13 London

MENS 400M RESULTS

1. CHAMBERS 45.55

2. FOTHERGILL 45.57

3. SPENCE 45.78

4. HYATT 45.97

5. GREEN 46.19

6. GONZALES 46.22

RESULTS

100M WOMEN

1. FRASER 10.88 Monaco

2. STEWART 10.93

3. BROOKS 11.16

4. FACEY 11.23

5. BAILEY 11.30 London+Monaco

6. HENRY 11.36 not in the team

Logic? What the hell does the GDP of the USA have anything to do with 100 meter running and making money for the IAAF. Athletics globally is as popular as it has been since Coe/Ovett in the late 70's early 80's and it is because of Usain Bolt.

America is not where the money in athletics is - it is Europe you moron. How many professional meets are there in the US vs Europe? How many Golden League or IAAF GP meets are there in the US vs Europe? Do you not follow the sport? Did you not hear about the 25'000 people that went to a European track meet (Ostrava) essentially just to see Bolt run and the 10'000 others that were reportedly queuing to get in to see the guy? Did you not hear about the plethora of reporters in Paris for his press conference - the most they had ever seen for an athlete in the history of the meet.

Usain Bolt makes news EVERYWHERE in the world - and his public persona is that he is a far more charismatic and likeable guy than arguably the most popular and well-known track athlete to come from the US - Carl Lewis, who was an absolute dick.

Gatlin was certainly expendable. Powell was right there at the same freaking level. Powell's habits off track? I wouldn't have any idea - but I did watch the IAAF funded documentary by a German TV show that went to Jamaica and filmed Asafa singing in his church choir, handing out scones after the service and playing beach cricket. If thats the real Asafa Powell who really knows - but THATS what the public get to see. What did the public know about Gatlin? That he was busted in college for taking steroids. It doesn't matter if in reality Gatlin was a far better guy than Powell - it's all about public perception.

Of course Jones and her crew were ahead of the curve, but do you really think no one in the sports governing bodies knew anything? For the six or so years she was at the top? Nothing? After reading your remedial crap I can see you are not the sharpest knife in the drawer but are you really so ignorant? What just like the USATF or the USOC knew nothing about Carl Lewis failing multiple (three) drug tests before 88 Olympics?

Everything in life is about incentives. Pure economics is about incentives. What incentive was there to catch Jones - the biggest drawcard in womans athletics? What incentive was there for Le Tour to out Armstrong? Have you not read the books about Lance? Go read them and then come tell me they knew nothing about what was going on (provided you can actually read and comprehend). Athletics is in constant competition for sponsorship dollars, TV rights etc and to get these they need publicity.

Usain Bolt GETS publicity - as explained earlier maybe the most by any single athlete in the history of the sport. Even if it was him that got done - he is too important now to ever be touched.

Oh my gosh! 25,000 in Ostrava! That's so much more than the 18,000 last year! It would have been a total failure without Bolt, huh?

Who is the single largest contributor to the IOC's budget? Oh yeah, US broadcasters.

I'm not talking about an extra 14,000€ in ticket sales for a meet. How about shoe sales? If Bolt were American he would be so much bigger. Bolt was much more impressive in Beijing than Phelps and yet who was on the cover of Sports Illustrated? When was the last non-American track star on the cover?

You are a fool if you think Gatlin was simply expendable. It doesn't get bigger than an Olympic 100m champion and world record holder from America.

I know people like Jones and Jacobs got away with murder in the 90s. I am saying that is no longer the case in the USADA era.

Gazzetta dello Sport reported this morning that athletes involved are Yohan Blake, the 19-year-old training partner of Bolt, 200m runner Marvin Anderson, Commonwealth Games 100m champion Sheri-Ann Brooks, and 400m runners Allodin Fothergill and Lanceford Spence.

Very suspicious to me that Yohan Blake is caught and Usain Bolt isn't.

I'm not defending anyone

The results are not skewed as a large proportion of top sprinters in other countries have roots from Jamaica. Even if they are do you really think Jamaican's are cheating more than other sprinters - get real

You are just enjoying a spinter from oustide the US getting busted - for a change (and yes the UK is as bad)

Yes, the Jamaicans are fast and, yes, the Jamaicans are cheating more than other sprinters, including those who are now running for other countries. Why would you think otherwise?

@ The Long Wait

What r u talking about?

Reports say it was a stimulant found in an energy drink bought at the Jamaica trials. A public warning may be the sanction.

So because Blake consumed it, bolt did to?-if thats what you are implying den u r wrong.y did not other people test postive? because they did not consume the drink.

If u read the different infro on line u would notice that 5 athletes which include people who train in different camps both local and in the states, consumed the drink at the trials- which explains the 5 and the minor nature of it.

It is unfortunate,and yes athletes need to be very careful what they are consuming.