Flotrack / Hansons Love Fest

Voice of Reason just cracked, let the hilarity ensue.

No dog in this fight, so to speak, but V o R made some stupid posts and got called out, now he's flaking out.

Classic Letsrun!

Hey I don't pay attention much, but didn't Voice of Reason keep posting after he said he wouldn't keep posting?

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Check again wrote:

Voice of Reason just cracked, let the hilarity ensue.

No dog in this fight, so to speak, but V o R made some stupid posts and got called out, now he's flaking out.

Classic Letsrun!

Attention Kyle,

This ass clown has made you look good. His ignorance has made you appear even smarer than you are. This is one of the guys that met you in the store and has been jealous ever since.

This is nothing new, this guy has had a hard-on for Kyle, Clint, and Chad for a long time, I even think he had a battle on the message boards with Luke Humphrey one time. He must have expected to win a local road race one time, flown his entire family in, only to get bumped off the podium because those three showed up to do a workout and still beat his old ass by 2 minutes. Pretty common, and comical.

youse guys suck wrote:

thanks. do you know who voice of reason is? I do and he knows it. trust me, he does not want to be exposed.

So who is he? Expose him.

Also, V o R, you did attack Kyle. Just because it is an opinion does not make something OK. Sometimes showing some tact is better than throwing out 'opinions'. If it is alright for you to have your opinions don't belittle someone for having their own.

Also, remember that there is more than one reason to leave a group. Professional runner is not a black and white endeavor there is a grey area. Kyle may have felt the team chemistry was just not working for him in reason years or that other issues were coming up. Go read Patrick Rizzo's blog on flotrack and see what he just said about the Hansons camaraderie.

I just read this post and I have to say that the Voice of Reason is right on, but I am really blown away by the responses (a lot of you guys are so arrogant it's sick). You're judging him because you don't know who he is, therefore he lacks credentials and can't possibly be right. Personally, I could care who it is. It's his or her's right to post and remain anonymous as is those who are saying expose him. Why don't you expose yourself? I look at what the post said, not who said it.

He's pretty much on fact with everything but Jankowski's 5k and 10k times, but they weren't updated on the site. And even if he improves 34 more seconds in 2 years, then what? Rupp is a shoe in and so is German if he decides to go for the 10. Yes, in 2 years he's still going to be improving while others are idling in place. Who thinks Jankowski is going to get that 3rd spot? What about Nelson (27:36?), Abdi, Jorge, Fam, Moran, Fasil, Carney, Bauhs, perhaps Meb or even Browne, etc......and a host of others. If he's about a minute behind these guys now, where will he be in less than 3 years? Lest not forget, many of the guys I listed will be improving also.

To the guy who posted Jankowski's latest times, boasting of his 14:17 twice in a row, so what? If he runs 13:50 for 5k, so what? Do you really think he's going to go 27:40? That would be 13:50 twice. Even if he did, he'd still have trouble making the team.

As far as Kyle O'Brien goes, he's right on that also. If Kyle had ran 2:11 in Boston he'd still be there. If he broke it, why would he leave, that's $$$$$$$$$100k!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! for a year. So then, he wasn't fast enough, right?

It's because he's been there long enough and hasn't made the next big step because unfortunately, he's not capable of it. I can run well under 3 hours, but I can't break 2:25 because although I do have the desire, I don't have that level of talent. Come on people, get with the program. If he trained with the Hansons that long and couldn't run 2:11, at least, then why is it going to happen now? It's not. Kyle himself can come up with all the reasons he wants, but he knows the truth. He was not getting better in workouts and could not improve his marathon time and yes, it's really that simple. V of R was correct or pretty darn close. Kyle was not ripped apart by V of R, nor did anyone else who posted. A few called him a 2:15 marathoner, well he is isn't he? He just didn't like seeing reality in writing. Please post again Mr. O'Brien and show me the post where someone ripped you apart? We all read facts, no one called you a name or said you s**ked as a runner. I, along with several others runners on my team, just finished reading all 47 posts and couldn't find one. Everyone has an opinion, including those who disagree. It's America folks!

His analogy of Greg Meyer and Dick Beardsley is also correct and I can't be the only one who gets his point. We verified it and it is all factual. Is it just the people with negative responses that post or is it just a few people posting over and over? Yeah, I'm new here, but I will freely admit that. These guys didn't run 2:15 repeatedly for years and years. Greg Meyer ran 2:13 his first time out and then won Boston 2.5 years later in 2:09 flat. Dick Beardsley ran his first marathon in 2:47 in 1977, but 4 years later he broke 2:10 on a solo effort at Grandma's in 1981, with no competition. Kyle O'Brien can't do that with competition, nor has any Hanson runner in 10 years! Dick Beardsley then broke 2:09 at Boston in 82'.

Overall, I agree with the program but you've gotta have the right blend of runners and they have to have the necessary talent. Also, there has to be certain amount of time to get it done. If not, move on.

By the way, to the guy who posted his assumed real email address on the bottom of page one, if this guy is who I think he is, you won't beat him and you'll only end up looking like a fool.

For all of you who criticized this V or R for posting anonymously, you really have to look to yourself first. Putting down a bogus email account with a first name and others pointing to this guy as being anonymous, you are really being hypocritical. My name is D. Cramer and I live in Oakland County Michigan, but quite a ways from Rochester. Oakland County is not small. The owners of this board really have to make this a registered board only. I would have no problem with it. Respond to someone like you were talking to them face to face. If you disagree, use logic and explain it in a polite manner.

Why do Hansons runners have to run 2:09 to be considered successful? If they want to have a group of 2:15 marathoners, they are not going to start cutting athletes because you think the program should be better.

Dear Mr. Cramer,

The problem people had with the posts seems to be that VoR is calling out individuals and stating the low odds they have of making it big. I am sure that O'Brien, Jankowski, Johnson, Verran, and their teammates all know that they have very low odds of making it to the Games in 2012. But they are there to try and the Hanson brothers obviously believe that each runner has a chance, surely a better one if they are together.

Also, it is a mild attack when VoR states that Kyle left the program because he could not cut it there and knew it. Kyle responded to say that he did not leave because he couldn't cut it, but because he felt he needed a change. Keep in mind there are many factors playing into a successful and healthy running career.

My e-mail is real as well. Send me one. My name is Stephan Jones of Anchorville, MI. Am I who you thought I was? VoR asked someone to challange him to a race, so I did. He has not responded.

I like that Tin Fish, although its a little too East side for me. Do you have a Goatee and a pick up truck?

1) Kyle wasn't even mildly attacked. Alberto and Lance have been attacked repeatedly about drugs with no solid proof. A few posters were in agreement that Kyle is a 2:15 marathoner. That's brutal!!!!!!! If I were him, I wouldn't be able to sleep at night.

2) There is no Stephan Jones in Anchorville, MI. Zabasearch doesn't lie, nor does runmichigan.com. Your name does not exist in one race, not even a mile fun run.

3) I'm not the fastest or slowest, but I can beat you.

4) The guy who left an email address challenging one of the posters was danny, not stephan. You're caught dude.

5) VoR...???

6) You said "surely a better one if they are together". Then Kyle left. You are brilliant and amazing beyond belief.

7) Thanks for telling us all that many factors play into a successful and healthy running career. Without you, we'd be left in the dark. Thanks!

8) Get a life! Ever drink a beer?

9) Please list your pr's from 1 mile to the marathon. We just need to know since there is not one race on the entire web with your name. Isn't that odd? Is a runner from michigan not stephan jones, but really Bill Rodgers faking it? Me confused too.

10) Go to bed. These boards are your life. There's a real world out there.

Kyle always seemed like a normal guy to me, but he obviously pissed someone off. I don't know who, but someone is out to make Kyle seem small. 2:15 is an outstanding time. It is a top 10 time in the US nearly every year. Whether it is competitive on a world level is unimportant. Kyle should be happy with his career whether he ever runs faster or not.

1) So it's a good thing you haven't run 2:15 since you would not sleep much. Luck for you you're just a 2:35-guy.

2) What the f*@k is Zabasearch? I am not in race results since I bandit my races. You really spent the time to look up all of the races over the past 5-10 years in Michigan? Pfffffft, Loser.

3) If you are the fastest or the slowest how can you beat me?

4) OK Danny....

5) Voice of Reason... are you that dumb?

6) Ear-reguardless, fallacy. Just because Kyle left does not mean he is not able to keep up with the group anymore. The Hansons believe that group training is the best way to train. It by no means makes that the best method of training.

7) No problem, glad I could shed some light on the situation.

8) Why yes I have in fact. Why, would you like to go out drinking with me post race?

9) 1-miles - 5:06

800m - 2:42

3200m - 9:03

5k road - 14:21

3k Steeplechase road - 8:47

Duathalon - 1:15:22

3k Steeplechase (flat) - 8:13

10k not road - 32:10

Tri, Olympic distance - 2:02:57

15k - 45:26

half-marathon - 1:04:36.342848

Marathon - 1:57:28 (barely got into Boston for next year with that run)

One lap around your mom - 2:15.98 (good race, no trophy since I bandited)

10) Welp.... Time for bed. Got to get up and watch the Real World Road Rules Challange tomorrow.

2) Bandit all your races.....sure loser!!!!

3) Do I have to explain? Talk about dumb. I'm not the fastest or the slowest, but I can beat you. Get a clue.

5) You didn't get it did ya....the proof is in your moronic response.

6) Yeah, good come back!! LOSER!!!

9) Liar, liar, pants on fire. As expected. Pretending to be a runner and you've never run one race (bandit my butt). Talk about pathetic! Everyone knows you are a phoney and your name is not Stephan Jones. You didn't think ahead loser. Google, Bing, and runmichigan show not one race of the imfamous Stephan Jones, or is it Danny Jones. No one bandits all their races. You probably have never even done a 1 mile fun run and you want people to listen to your lame posts.

10) Nursery school is waiting.

2) Yeah that's what sucks about banditing, you can't win, always the sure lose. I would have said certain lose or gauranteed lose but however you want to word it.

3) If only we race but you are not fastest or slowest where would you finish?

5) I did not... I guess

6) I thought #6 was just explaining my reasoning.... I must have missed something.

9) a) Really? Banditing the race you suggest sounds interesting. Where is the 'my butt' race held? I'll have to get in on that. Thanks. I forgot to mention, I would hold the one lap around your mom record if only I would not have bandited...

b) Who the heck is Danny Jones? Is he from Anchorville too?

c) I thought running experience didn't matter. You did say that in your original post right? Well the original as 'my name too.'

10) Yeah, my kids need to get over there soon. Thanks for reminding me.

M) Plus.... Zabadash does not take into account if you are going to school and not a resident, your state affiliation does not change. Since I am at Achorville CC and originally from Ohio... you put those pieces together. Gosh!

38) How do I know you are who you say you are? I can not search 'A Runner from Michigan too' on your hocus pocus web site thing? Your name is not on runmichigan.net either... Jason Martin perhaps...?

You really need help, seriously. One excuse after the other. Do you think this board believes that you Bandit every race, or that they care? You have kids and you're wasting part of your day on a thread instead of spending it with them? Talk about a loser Dad. Zabasearch does take into account where you currently live, duh! Feel free to email if you need help locating a facility in whatever state you actually live in.

Liz

Really SORRY to bring this back to the front page and I won't respond again, but Stephan Jones is not Stephan Jones (like we didn't know). He emailed me! He couldn't challenge anybody that he challenged and had no intention of doing so. He's not even capable of beating me, a 25 year old gal who is hotter than he'd ever imagine!!! He was just causing trouble. He's no bandit and would have trouble beating himself.