This only matter to Division II folks, who by age, academics, or funding are not attending DI schools. Oregon could really care less about Adams State. This is the real deal!
This only matter to Division II folks, who by age, academics, or funding are not attending DI schools. Oregon could really care less about Adams State. This is the real deal!
prof runner wrote:
back when it was glassboro state and still d3 we had a javelin thrower win division 1 nationals and place at it all 3 other years. if you win d3 or d2 nationals you get an invite to d1 nationals im pretty sure, although this could mess up a peak for your season, wouldn't ASC get to race oregon at that point?
Wow. You're old. It has not worked this way in at least 15 years.
Wilco will love you baby wrote:
I will cite 1992 when they smoked the full Arkansas squad (who later won the DI meet)...
Also a classic and mythical D-II rumor. This never happened and has been proven on this board time and time again.
Why am I not surprised that the DII guys on here think the only possible explanation is that Oregon is afraid of losing
As a D2 runner who regularly ran against Adams State, it has been widely \'rumored\' that after ASC\'s win at Griak in 1992 they ran the Twin Cities Marathon the next day as a tempo/long run.
If this is true I would find it hard to believe that these D2 teams peak for D1 meets mid-season
dwigt schrude wrote:
Somebody gave a damn good reason earlier. Other "top DI" programs would lose to Adams State, wouldn't want to come back, so it would be a bad move for their meet. It sucks for Adams State, and the fans, because it would be interesting. Still, I can't fault Oregon too much for this decision.
Those teams must not be afraid of losing to Oregon, since they're already coming to the meet.
Bottom line, Oregon is afraid of losing to Adams. It has nothing to do with any other D1 teams.
Adams' squad with some Pr's/accomplishments. This is just some of their top returners and includes no incoming recruits.
Aaron Braun-3:44, 13:36 NCAA XC runner-up behind Bauhs
Medigovich-13:40 5k, 3:44 "adjusted 1500m PR)-Solid XC guy
Ruben Chebon-Mwei-8:48 Steepler, 13:53 5k.
Florian Theofile-13:58-9 5k @ Mt. Sac '09
Luke Cragg-14:05 5k PR?
Ryan McNiff-3:52 1500 @ 7500ft, World XC Junior Q for US.
Drew Graham-1:49/3:45, returning XC AA.
J.R. wrote:
dwigt schrude wrote:Somebody gave a damn good reason earlier. Other "top DI" programs would lose to Adams State, wouldn't want to come back, so it would be a bad move for their meet. It sucks for Adams State, and the fans, because it would be interesting. Still, I can't fault Oregon too much for this decision.
Those teams must not be afraid of losing to Oregon, since they're already coming to the meet.
Bottom line, Oregon is afraid of losing to Adams. It has nothing to do with any other D1 teams.
I got sorry news for you, from the inside, Oregon doesn't even think about Adams State. Adams State is not even on our radar. We have our season planned out for us, because we can, which is what Adams State should be doing, instead of concocting excuses and whining. I would not have even thought of Adams State if I hadn't stumbled upon this thead.
To paraphrase Donald Trump... "Adams State just doesn't matter."
their pussies because adam state would woop that ass..
cop out wrote:
So word on the street is that Adams State wanted to race the 2009 Dellinger Cross Country meet but were repeatedly denied entry by Oregon. What is the reasoning for this?
Would it not be a good thing for the sport to see a head to head between the D1 and D2 champs? Nobody is questioning Oregon's pedigree, but the performances of Adams State's guys in track would lead one to believe that this would be a great early season showdown and a good spectacle for those interested in the sport.
Looks from the outside that Oregon are scared to race the D2 champs which is a cop-out to anybody who loves head to head clashes and true team races. Could they not swallow their pride and pioneer fairness instead of being so image-conscious and just race the best that's there? Opinions?
BTW this is not intended to be a D1 vs. D2 thread. although there are obvious differences in depth between the two national championships, I think most people can agree that having Adams State in the Dellinger race would make it a better and more exciting event.
We're not "ducking" you, you are not on our radar screen. You a D2, you do not factor into our strategy for our season.If you are "all that," go find some place else to make your name...
blahblahblah wrote:
A master at the wheel wrote:You're missing the point, and I don't think you'll get it because you're certainly on an agenda.
You were probably one of those guys who called Teg and Solinsky cowards for qualifying for worlds and not leading early and have a poster of Fam in your bedroom with some excerpt about "running reckless" on your desk.
Stratgy and game plan do not equal cowardice.
How am I missing the point? I have agreed with others that it is a logical move from Oregon's perspective. It's also cowardly to duck (pun intended) your competition - at least when you won't have a chance to go head to head at a later date in a championship race for all the marbles. You are right that I do have an agenda though. I, along with most fans of distance running, would like to see the best teams and individuals from Division II and III go toe to toe with some of the best Division I teams. I realize that a race this early in the season will be fairly meaningless, but since they won't allow runners from other divisions to qualify for NCAA Div I championships, it's all I've got.
We have our season planned out for us, because we can, which is what Adams State should be doing, instead of concocting excuses and whining. I would not have even thought of Adams State if I hadn't stumbled upon this thead.
To paraphrase Donald Trump... "Adams State just doesn't matter."[/quote]
Adams has Excuses? For what? Sounds to me like the Ducks have excuses. Adams wants to race them and the other big dogs. Oregon makes the excuses as to why they can't. Now who's making the excuses here?
need an edge wrote:
All of you that think that Oregon is the better team are the reason for excluding Adams State.
Nike/Oregon have created a false image that the best things in distance running are happening in Eugene. Those that believe this horse shit would have their hearts broken if Adams State ran in the meet. The powers at be are trying to save the image.
Smart Move.
HAHAHAHAHAH.
Deluded much?
You are wa-y-y--y-y out there. On a Limb-a.
Wilco will love you baby wrote:
I don't think it has been mentioned in this thread yet, but Adams has a long history of demolishing top DI teams when they have strong teams. Every 5 or so years ASU will have a team that would be top 3 to 5 at the DI meet. In some years they have had (without question) the top team in any division. I will cite 1992 when they smoked the full Arkansas squad (who later won the DI meet) and scored about 25 points at Griak crushing the second best DI team, Wisconsin.
A classic Nike move to orchestrate a home win for the Ducks...
You clearly do not understand how it works.
It may be hard for some of you suckers to believe, but Nike has no say in this kind of thing.
Be as paranoid as you like, but I can tell you first hand from the inside...that Nike would never pick up the phone and get in Vins business.
It just isn't done. Yeah, they may have helped get the guy hired, but it ends there. You let the guy do his job, and if there are any phone calls, they come from south to north, not the other way around.
There is such a thing as respect, protocol, proper channels.
No one at Nike would, first of all, make a call like this. Second of all...give a crap about such an early season meet.
And certainly not "the Dellinger."
Unbelievable paranoia and immaturity out there.
The Dellinger Invite is actually a light weight meet by Oregon standards...it is more a big deal to the Ducks to host it, than to field their top guys. It is a tune up for the Ducks. Sitting out top guys at this meet is no big deal. winning the Dellinger means nothing to the Ducks compared to regionals and nationals.
Maybe Adams should man up and go D1 already, they obviously shouldn't be in D2 considering the resources available to them. What the f*** is the point of having D1 and D2 if the D2 teams have all the perks of a D1 program?
My try wrote:
Maybe Adams should man up and go D1 already, they obviously shouldn't be in D2 considering the resources available to them. What the f*** is the point of having D1 and D2 if the D2 teams have all the perks of a D1 program?
This is a great question. It would seem like they should be available to do this no? Because the only meet worth winning anyway is the last one of the season. Stanford could beat Oregon all season but unless they don't beat them at The Show than none of the rest matter (and vice versa). All the preceding races add up to: Team B beats Team A continuously while team A focusses on training specificly for Race X. Team A's focus and preparation is right and they win Race X which is the race for all the money, hardware and glory (so to speak) and thus they win the season.
Think of the rabbit and the turtle. Rabbit spurts and spurts early and mid season but is dragging @ss at the end and the turtle, who's had a steady line of progress, comes across the line first and smiling. This is exactly what NCAA XC is all about and far too many teams take the rabbit approach because it is easier in the short term. It's more fun, more reckless. Patience and control are not really fun for coach or athlete most of the time, but they are the tools of success and when the success is rewarded it's ALL worth it. That is Oregons model as well as Stanfords. Since they have to worry about eachother in Novemeber they really don't need to be worried about a D11 school in september.
J.R. wrote:
Those teams must not be afraid of losing to Oregon, since they're already coming to the meet.
Bottom line, Oregon is afraid of losing to Adams. It has nothing to do with any other D1 teams.
You don't make any sense. Of course they aren't afraid of losing to the defending champions, that wouldn't generate bad press like losing to a DII school. Other DI schools don't like but can handle losing to Oregon, they would stop coming if it meant getting their ass kicked by a DII school every year. That would be bad for Oregon. Why is this so hard for you guys to understand?
My try wrote:
Maybe Adams should man up and go D1 already, they obviously shouldn't be in D2 considering the resources available to them. What the f*** is the point of having D1 and D2 if the D2 teams have all the perks of a D1 program?
Same resources as a D1 school? Are you frickin kidding me? All the perks of a D1 program? You obviously have no clue. Has the financial situation at Adams State improved greatly in very recent years? Absolutely, but to compare their resources to a good D1 program is an absolute joke.
dwigt schrude wrote:
J.R. wrote:Those teams must not be afraid of losing to Oregon, since they're already coming to the meet.
Bottom line, Oregon is afraid of losing to Adams. It has nothing to do with any other D1 teams.
You don't make any sense. Of course they aren't afraid of losing to the defending champions, that wouldn't generate bad press like losing to a DII school. Other DI schools don't like but can handle losing to Oregon, they would stop coming if it meant getting their ass kicked by a DII school every year. That would be bad for Oregon. Why is this so hard for you guys to understand?
Are teams not going back to Griak because Adams won last year? Of course not. This is a bullshit excuse.
To a duck, I agree with you, Adams shouldn't be on your radar. You are the defending champions in the top division (by far) of college athletics, but why not allow one of the top D2 schools into your meet? Isn't competition what our sport is all about? I understand not wanting to allow every interested team to compete, but in the spirit of competition, you'd think that having another great program (regardless of division) would be a good thing.
The Dellinger meet was created to be a regional, quaint, low key, early season invitational type meet.
It is like when a ranked D1 football team plays an unranked regional D2 team.
It is mostly about hosting regionally, and having a light weight competition, to give the team a taste of victory, or competition to get their feet wet for bigger things to come.
People are making far too much of this little invitational. Schools used to do it all the time. Football still does.
Really, don't make too much of it, it was born out of a small meet, and it is still intended to be kind of a warm up and build up for bigger meets to come.
A Adams State falls by the way side, too bad, if they or their runners want MORE they should be or go to D1 schools.
Last time I checked, it was "our" invitational, we'll invite who we want.
Adams State has the right to mount their own meet and do the same.
Laverne loved Shirley wrote:
Adams' squad with some Pr's/accomplishments. This is just some of their top returners and includes no incoming recruits.
Aaron Braun-3:44, 13:36 NCAA XC runner-up behind Bauhs
Medigovich-13:40 5k, 3:44 "adjusted 1500m PR)-Solid XC guy
Ruben Chebon-Mwei-8:48 Steepler, 13:53 5k.
Florian Theofile-13:58-9 5k @ Mt. Sac '09
Luke Cragg-14:05 5k PR?
Ryan McNiff-3:52 1500 @ 7500ft, World XC Junior Q for US.
Drew Graham-1:49/3:45, returning XC AA.
FYI Oregons top 8 looks like this:
Puskedra – 7:58, 13:46, 28:30
Centro – 3:36, 7:55, 13:58
McNamara – 3:39, 14:07 & 29:36 (old marks)
Diego Mercado – 13:58, 28:48
Danny Mercado – 14:03, 28:53
Kenny Klotz – 13:58
Andrew Wheating – 3:38
Aj Acosta – 3:40, 3:58, 7:57, 13:50
Centro didn't even run a 5K this year and McNamara hasn't run a 5K or 10K for years and had almost no base this spring but came up with 4 or 5 sub 4 mile marks and/or equivelents. Klotz is maybe the 6th man with a sub 14 mark and he also didn't race 5k this spring. Acosta is a 13:50 who might not even crack top 7 come NCAA's.