Rupp last 1600 better than fernandez all out 1500

You're wrong on a number of points.

*Running the first 800 in 2:05 isn't exactly jogging.

*Yeah, the winning times were 14:04 vs 14:11. Huge difference.

*Rupp did this after running a 5k two days before (as did Solinksky) followed by a 10k the day before. Rupp's 10k was essentially the same pace as Solinsky's 5k, and Solinsky's 5k prelim was faster too.

*What the hell does the team have to do with it?

*Yes, but save for one lap in 63, the pace doddled at a jog the rest of the way making it easy to gain the ground back without spending much extra energy.

And no, Solinsky did not go on to run 13:12, 7:36 and 3:36 that summer. That was the following year when he obliterated the field and pretty much just enjoyed the win his last lap.

Again, Rupp's performance was impressive, and indeed superior to Solinsky's, but similar and more impressive feats have been done numerous times. Viren closed in around 4:00 in a race under 13:20, as did a few others in the same race. I won't even bother bringing up the Africans' performances.

Fernandez was very very impressive - to me he still doesn't "look" like he is going very fast ... and when its hammer time - he doesn't look like he's going to respond. Yet he continues to win; against all comers. I don't think he's been tapped to the max.

Rupp showed complete dominance over very excellent competition - regardless of time - conditions were less than ideal (understatement) and my guess is - lovers or haters , or just fans of Rupp and/or the sport - were riveted to the webcast or other media stuff.

I don't find it very productive to say Fernandez this, Rupp that. What I would be most intrigued with is a match up. Have em run a mile ... one week and a 5k 2 weeks after or whatever. Alas prob won't happen.

US distance has some exciting athletes ready to toe the line and declare - show me what YOU got.

Okay - thats all I got.

Yeah I just caught that on the year solinsky pr'd, however Rupp's 5K prelim was actually run at 12:30 on the same day of his 10K final, all within 45 hours of the 5K final. I don't see why you even try to make a point of this, like it somehow lessens the work load.

You really don't get the team pressure thing? Okay, you were never part of a high caliber team that relied on you for the most points. It really doesn't get any higher pressure than that for a team competition. If you did, you'd know the emotinal drain it has on you. It's one thing to have one race to deal with. When you have 3 it's a burden. Look how exhausted Wheating was after his 800. He thought he might have eaten something bad, and maybe he did. A lot of that though was just getting that 10 expected point monkey off his back. He has never looked that tired including after the 2 day 4 race deal at Pac-10's.

Very few guys can get left well behind the pack on any pace and make it seem as though it never happened. Part of that is physical prowess and part of that is mastery emotions, both of which are impressive.

I often feel like a lot of the posters on here have never been at the NCAA conference level, let alone in an NCAA championship, but yet talk with a sense of experience.

Actually, I've been a part of multiple state champion teams and relays, and was often the number one runner. I ran on a team that was top 10 in the nation in xc in college. If dealing with the "pressure" is a big deal and emotionally drains you, you should probably just stick to local 5k road races.

Go out and run the best you can. If you do that, you can't have any regrets.

My apologies on the prelim actually being only a day before. Again, 3 hours makes a huge difference. :P

German won an NCAA individual title as a freshman. He probably would of won two if he would ran indoor.

Rupp did win NCAA title until his senior year.

It is ridiculous to compare a freshman to a senior. If German progresses like he should; he will be a force just like Rupp and maybe even better. Also, I do not see German being a 10k runner. His best race is probably going to be the 5k. I can definitely see him running under 13 his senior year. I guess we will have to wait and see.

bbrunner800 wrote:

German won an NCAA individual title as a freshman. He probably would of won two if he would ran indoor.

Rupp did win NCAA title until his senior year.

It is ridiculous to compare a freshman to a senior. If German progresses like he should; he will be a force just like Rupp and maybe even better. Also, I do not see German being a 10k runner. His best race is probably going to be the 5k. I can definitely see him running under 13 his senior year. I guess we will have to wait and see.

Would HAVE won if he would HAVE RUN indoor.

Rupp did NOT win AN NCAA title until his senior year.

Hallo! wrote:

3:39 is about a 3:54.5 1600. If it were a full mile, it'd be about a 3:56.5.

So it was 5.5 seconds faster than Rupp's finish to the 5K. But let's be honest--at the pace they were running the first 2.1 of that 5K, that last 1600 was probably not much slower than what he would've ran for a mile normally. Now--clearly he ran a 10K the day before, so all things are not equal. But I HIGHLY doubt that Rupp would've been able to run any faster than 3:39 if he were fresh.

Hey, math retard.

Yeah, I'm calling you a math retard because you are.

9 meters is the difference between 16 and mile.

where the f*** do you get 2 seconds from 9 meters? Thats 4.5 meters a second. 4 flat pace is 6.7 meters a second.

Recalculate jackass.