Also for our 'analogy' - let's not forget that she was running 54s for 400m, which is not at all like a man running 46. Let's round it down and say she was 6seconds off the WR.
It would be like a guy running 49s for 400m one year - and the next year running 1:42 for 800m several times solo (taking it out in 49).
Don't be ridiculous - she had been in track for years.
She is not clean.
She is not clean.[/quote]
So why would she stop doping?
ukathleticscoach wrote:
She is not clean.
So why would she stop doping?[/quote]
I dont know what she's doing but this question is the easiest to answer.
IF, you were an athlete that was cheating and had won an Olympic games, made a 1.5 million dollars in your first year and set yourself up to make millions in the years to come, why would you ever take the risk of blowing it all and getting caught.
Exactly, you wouldn't. You would probably thank you lucky stars that you didnt get busted, and sit back and enjoy the fruits of your illegitimate labours.
Why do you think Alan Webb went from being a 1.47/4.00 guy to a 1.43/3.46 guy and back to a 1.47/3.58?
Yeah, he played the system, won his battle, good for him. Thats why you would stop doping.
So Jelimo won't run any fast times this year then?
well, she didn't test +ve for CERA unlike ramzi, so that is evidence against doping
also, she ran fast right from get-go of '08 & wouda therefore been target-tested thruout the year as a leading contender for gold
in addition, she got faster as year went on, meaning that if she was doping, she was doing it thruout the season & likely increasingly as she went from 1'56 to 1'54-flat - results of testing ( as she woud have after every meet ) : -ve
si stitchup wrote:
ukathleticscoach wrote:She is not clean.
So why would she stop doping?
I dont know what she's doing but this question is the easiest to answer.
IF, you were an athlete that was cheating and had won an Olympic games, made a 1.5 million dollars in your first year and set yourself up to make millions in the years to come, why would you ever take the risk of blowing it all and getting caught.
Exactly, you wouldn't. You would probably thank you lucky stars that you didnt get busted, and sit back and enjoy the fruits of your illegitimate labours.
Why do you think Alan Webb went from being a 1.47/4.00 guy to a 1.43/3.46 guy and back to a 1.47/3.58?
Yeah, he played the system, won his battle, good for him. Thats why you would stop doping.[/quote]
Webb ran 3:53 in 2001. The comparison is not terribly close. It took Webber 6 years to drop 6 seconds in the mile. Obviously something is wrong now (and last year), but don't act like he was a 4 flat guy who just up and ran 3:46 from one year to the next. He hasn't been a 4 flat guy since high school.
There is nothing wrong with Webb.Just because he hasn't raced in a major race this year does not mean he is out of shape.He is has chosen to take part in fewer races this year.So stop all the speculations.
Webb retired?
Come on man, I hope Webb does well but are you now pretending the he didn't run indoor? I would say the US indoor champs is a major race, and I'd say losing to Riley is not where Webb ought to be. Hopefully he's improved since then.
Yeah, Webb ran 3.53 in 2001 - what does that mean? That because he was at high school he wasn't potentially cheating?
I hardly bother coming to this website, but even I saw the link to the interview with the high school dude who was a stud sprinter/long jumper/football player who said drug use was rampant even at high school level. That's right from the horses mouth dude.
For an elite runner, one that trains and competes for a living, his peaks and troughs are just too unbelievable to be associated with anything but drug use. Put it this, way, if a Moroccan or Baharanian athlete was doing the same, you clowns would be all over them like a flash. Alan Webb went from SEASONAL (not lifetime PR) bests of 4.00 (with no 800 time) in 2006 (including getting beaten in the Scottish 800m champs????!!!) to 1.43 and 3.46 a year later (a mile time that is top 10 ALL TIME), back to 1.47/3.55 in an Olympic year, just a season later. Are you kidding me? Are you freaking kidding me?
How many 3.46 milers (or sub) over the course of history (we are talking about names like El.G, Morceli, Nygeny, Komen, Cram) did you EVER see pulling stuff like that? Even at their absolute worst, they never would be close to such garbage. Why not? Either A) They were clean (which not all of them were, or B) They were far more talented than Webb ever was even before doping, and the effects of doping on an average runner like Webb are far greater than for an already talented runner doing the same stuff.
It has been mentioned here before about Rashid Ramzi (case in point) and the fact it seems impossible he could run so fast given his horrendous form. The fact that he SPEEDS UP as his form deteriorates is basically a given. Yeah well just what the hell do you see in Webb that doesn't scream the same thing? I have never seen a sub 3.50 miler in my life with worse running form in my freaking life.
Leave Jelimo alone, she probably is, but then again who isn't? You guy need to look on your own doorstep before casting any stones.
I hardly bother coming to this website, but even I saw the link to the interview with the high school dude who was a stud sprinter/long jumper/football player who said drug use was rampant even at high school level. That's right from the horses mouth dude.
Hardly the definition of from the horses mouth!
oh, you have been posting here regularly recently:)
we'll have to wait and judge after the season. She might just be a bit rusty now and will get in shape by competing in the coming weeks/months.
Stress? is it a stress for spending teh 1 million USD or something else? i can't believe it.
Renato,
Thank you for all your posts. I always gain from reading your point of view on all topics.
My question is; when dealing with your female athletes especially the marathoners who take breaks for child birth or injury how to you "start over" with them? If a marathoner is off top form after child birth where do you start with their training. Do you expect them to only work with you when they are back to a certain level or do you set up training from the comeback point?
I'm very interested in how you train women.
I think the concusion may be wrong. In 79 I deliberately did a full year and half conditioning to prepare for the 80 Olympics. I was doing huge amounts of gym work and mileage in the summer of 79 and I could hardly walk some weeks. My 1500 was about 8 seconds slower than the year before and I got terrible stick from all the national coaches except mine- who knew what i was doing. After one 3:46 race (which felt flat out) my coach grabbed me as I crossed the line and took my pulse immediately, it was down to 96!
So Webb might just be trying to make the jump to World number one by loading at new levels. He might have also have run with a virus and knocked his system about badly. That has happened to many of my friends. Drugs are not the only reasons for poor performance. I should know!
You mean you ran badly on drugs too?
just avin a larf m8