Do you have a list with proof?
Grant Robinson ran 13:49 as a 19 year old freshman.? No way.
Show me the official American Junior list for 5000 and I say a dozen at best under 13:50. These do not include 20 year old redshirt freshman like Withrow.
Tegenkamp ran 13:49 outdoors. Goucher ran 13:48 outdoors.
You can be 19 as a freshman but turn 20 that calendar year when you are a sophomore and therefore not be considered a junior. The junior list would put Derrick somewhere in the 5-8 range.
Kennedy did not break 14:00.
Chapa, Salazar, Virgin, and Clary however were under 13:50. Plus Tegenkamp, Pre, Rupp, Ritz, Goucher, Sanchez, Torres. Scharsu and Jeff Nelson did. A runner from the University of Illinos went 13:48 in 1982. Jeff ??
So you win the bet. However how many 18 -19 year olds have gone 13:44 indoors?
Everyone quickly forgets about Matt Winthrow's stellar freshman year. He made world cross and ran 13:35. Too bad he never progressed.
Taking nothing away from Derrick, but based on his HS performance and NCAA cross, 13:44 is perhaps only a couple seconds faster than what I would expected. There have been quite a few sub-13:50 NCAA freshman, but Derrick is a year younger than just about all of them...that's what most impressive.
Fernandez is a few weeks younger than Derrick and he will go under 13:20 this season, mark my words. Fernandez also gets more exercise at night because he's such a stud.
dnixon wrote:
Dorian Ulrey is frosting on the cake. He surprised most everyone (except probably his coach and teammates) with his breakthrough performance last year. Looks like he hasn't lost a step.
He soloed a 409 at the state meet his senior year. He was pretty fast in HS but because he ran a a very small school I don't think his name got out.
Jack in box wrote:
Everyone quickly forgets about Matt Winthrow's stellar freshman year. He made world cross and ran 13:35. Too bad he never progressed.
Yes, he was a freshman, but Withrow turned 20 that year, so he wasn't a junior.
Cruel Calendar wrote:
Jack in box wrote:Everyone quickly forgets about Matt Winthrow's stellar freshman year. He made world cross and ran 13:35. Too bad he never progressed.
Yes, he was a freshman, but Withrow turned 20 that year, so he wasn't a junior.
Ritz ran 13:27 as a frosh, but like Withrow, was born a few days before Xmas, so turned 20 later that year.
13:44 solo? Apparently not.
Event 39 Men 5000 Meter Run
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Name Year School Seed Finals
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Section 1 Timed Finals
1 494 Derrick, Chris Stanford 13:55.00
2 10 Fernandez, Eric Arkansas 13:55.98
3 620 Mandi, Mark Unattached 14:20.00
4 500 Heath, Elliott Stanford 13:59.12
5 369 Osaduik, Steve Praire Inn Harri 14:00.00
6 511 Riley, Jake Stanford 14:05.00
7 498 Gregg, Brendan Stanford 14:10.00
8 508 Mocko, Chris Stanford 14:15.00
9 457 Riak, John St. Martin's 14:32.71
10 456 Steidl, Uli SRC 14:25.00
11 429 Friesen, Kevin Simon Fraser 14:28.10
12 198 Kuhlman, Travis Long Beach St. 14:29.48
13 370 Reynolds, Francis Puget Sound 14:40.00
14 358 Hansen, Jake Portland State 14:38.00
15 319 Foster, Jordon Portland 14:38.00
16 329 Simmons, Derrick Portland 14:39.00
17 352 Cronin, Jesse Portland State 14:48.00
18 324 Manning, Michael Portland 14:40.00
19 764 Van Patten, Zeke Western Oregon 14:51.63
20 195 DeCastro, Steven Long Beach St. 15:00.00
Those are some strong seed times you've got there.
Donkasaurus wrote:
Those are some strong seed times you've got there.
ha ha ..owned!
"Not going to World Champs yet. Has to qualify."
Derrick says he will run worlds "if" he qualifies. He made this point twice in the interview.
Try this one, fellas. Impressive run.
Men 5000 Meter Run
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Auto: A 13:47.00
Provisional: p 14:10.00
Name Year School Finals
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Section 1
1 Derrick, Chris Stanford 13:44.02A
2 Riley, Jake Stanford 14:01.92p
3 Gregg, Brendan Stanford 14:11.29
4 Boyer, Lane Arkansas 14:16.48
5 Mandi, Mark Unattached 14:34.41
6 Steidl, Uli SRC 14:37.09
7 Riak, John St. Martin's 14:43.46
8 Van Patten, Zeke Western Oregon 14:48.40
9 Reynolds, Francis Puget Sound 14:48.78
10 Mocko, Chris Stanford 14:53.58
11 Cronin, Jesse Portland State 15:17.69
12 Manning, Michael Portland 15:24.30
13 Foster, Jordon Portland 15:25.75
What is Derrick's 5k pr? Outdoors? I care more about his improvement curve than him vs. fernandez. Also, an opening 5k performance, indoors and solo, isn't too much to gawk about.
For the last time, nobody's gawking. It's a notable performance. Some of you guys expect every great runner to run a 25 second pr right awayin college. A distance runner like Rupp gets slammed if he "only" runs 4:00 for an indoor mile. 13:44 by a true Amercian freshman run indoors in January I'm certain has never been done, and probably only Pre Sanchez,Torres, and Rupp have run faster at his age. Ritz and Withrow were not true Juniors there freshman year.
Nobody is going crazy. Actually it appears the opposite and its not getting as much credit as you would expect. I suppose its because we are in an upswing in American running and nothing is shocking anymore and that definitely is a good thing.
F. Booth wrote:
Kennedy did not break 14:00.
Chapa, Salazar, Virgin, and Clary however were under 13:50. Plus Tegenkamp, Pre, Rupp, Ritz, Goucher, Sanchez, Torres. Scharsu and Jeff Nelson did. A runner from the University of Illinois went 13:48 in 1982. Jeff ??
So you win the bet. However how many 18 -19 year olds have gone 13:44 indoors?
Virgin did not he had pericarditis outdoors freshman year. Teg was a redshirt when he ran 13:44. I am almost certain Nelson did not.
But i believe Withrow was still a freshmen and 19 when he ran 13:35 unattached at Oregon or something. Correct me if i am wrong though.
Are those entry times?
does anybody know why the results only go 13 deep when there were 20 originally entered in the race?
im curious as to what happened to those extra 7