BRR doesn't time any races, like you claim, except at the track meets. Durden might have BRR association, but it's his own timing service. Durden is notorious for adding 3-5 seconds to everyone's time. Anyone who's been around at least a few years and has run races where he does timing knows that. You must not get out much from under your rock, your perspective is myopically narrow.
racetraining wrote:
Who really cares what your training pace is?
There are plenty of 20 min 5k racers that run that fast in their training.
Although I myself (near grandmaster 35 min 10k runner)prefer around 9 min pace on a nice 2-3 hour run up and down the trails around Boulder.
BRR doesn't have many younger runners on their club teams because they do not give them any financial incentive compared to Fleet Feet, which gives great discounts on running attire, free uniforms, comp. entries to races, etc... The younger runners don't have the financial resources of a retired 60 something year old.
BRR is sending Barringer to Europe again this year at a cost of about $4,000. I would not be very surprised if she made a nice donation back to the club when she turns pro.
And yes for many of the local races there is a strong sense of family with this group because they have been together for decades. Any event that BRR is involved with is always well run. Accurate length courses clearly marked and professional timing.
Doesn't that violate NCAA rules by her accepting $$$ to go to Europe to compete?
Not really
This is precisely the smug, snobby attitude typically associated with BRR. If you aren't a member already then you should join because you'd fit right in, big guy.
racetraining wrote:
To: Knownothing and you ain't anything
The two of you are poorly informed. But that makes it fun. I normally don't read the silly posts here for other than entertainment. So thanks again for the entertainment.
oh ya you fail,
I stated facts which you convert to a "put down" of some sorts. I guess your just so used to the LetsRun mentality. Melody looks good being "normal".
Know IT All?
I know Benji does his own timing in conjunction with many events which BRR also supports. Everyone does know that.
As for adding time onto races that is complete BS pure and simple. Your probably looking at the clock before you are across the finish line.
As you cross the line you are likely to have your time recorded 4 separate times. 2 times with button only pushes and 2 more times for select timing. Sorry but 5 seconds is not added to your time.
If you find your time to be wrong he can easily be contacted as I am sure he would investigate such a huge error if one existed.
Track Fan,
Money may be given to an athlete to compete in Europe, etc..by a private group.
The University of Colorado can not however.
You need to get the f uck back on the Crete dildo
where they have it too easy wrote:
More than ever, the RW-reading hobby-joggers make up the greatest proportion of "runners" in Boulder. RW kept touting Boulder as the "top running town in America" for so many years that those rich enough to travel to and then relocate to Boulder did so easily. They could afford to live there or out in one of the McMansion suburbs. All you have to do is look at the make-up of the members of Fast-Forward Sports or Bolder Boulder Training Club or Boulder Road Runners or Boulder Striders or Running Republicans of Boulder or the clientele of the Boulder Running Co. to get a true feel for the predominant culture of the running community in Boulder. The elite and sub-elite training groups are barely able to stick together in that environment of self-involved yuppie lifestyle runners. The Slatterys moved away for the lack of support they got from all those so-called runners in that area. It's a tough area to afford for those who want to make their training and racing the main focus in their lives. Runner paupers have been priced out of town by the yuppies and rich college kids and the environment of performance has been eroded by the yuppie RW joggers.
I love this smug, self-satisfied and condescending flair. The "RW Joggers" are the ones that keep your sport going buddy! Without them the races you enter couldn't pay the bills and wouldn't be possible. And, without them you can't feel like a good runner (which I bet isn't the case)
That's not what you said. You said she "really did fill out, to say the least." It's insulting and you would know that if you were raised right. That's not even a backhanded compliment, show me a single woman who would appreciate you saying something like that to her face. But your puny butt couldn't do that so instead you come on a message board and lob anonymous flames. Don't puss out and try to backpedal now, you can't unring that bell. You're a small man, get back to us when you decide to grow up.
racetraining wrote:
oh ya you fail,
I stated facts which you convert to a "put down" of some sorts. I guess your just so used to the LetsRun mentality. Melody looks good being "normal".
Stir the Pot wrote:
I love this smug, self-satisfied and condescending flair. The "RW Joggers" are the ones that keep your sport going buddy! Without them the races you enter couldn't pay the bills and wouldn't be possible. And, without them you can't feel like a good runner (which I bet isn't the case)
Right, because there were no marathons before most people ran then slower than four hours and there were no 5k's or 10k's at all until most people started to finish slower than 21:00 or 45:00, respectively. You're not just smug and self-congratulatory, you're completely ignorantly so! The sport was fine before all the slowpokes showed up and it would survive quite well if they were to disappear tomorrow. Faster runners actually subsidize your participation. Sorry, we really don't need you. We don't even want you, we just charitably tolerate you. Remember that the next time you start to feel that you belong or deserve what you're getting, mooch.
I'm a little slow in jumping in on this thread, but my initial reaction to the original post was to chuckle. For all the crap people give to Runner's World, I remember when, back in the day, RW determined that the difference between "running" and "jogging" was 8:00 per mile.
Learn to read sometime, pipsqueak.
Ruth Wysocki wrote:
I'm a little slow in jumping in on this thread, but my initial reaction to the original post was to chuckle. For all the crap people give to Runner's World, I remember when, back in the day, RW determined that the difference between "running" and "jogging" was 8:00 per mile.
When we were in high school in the late 70s, we were told that 7:00 per mile was the cutoff between running and jogging.
A couple points about the "hobbyjoggers".
The Johnnycake jog had its best turnout in years with 1500 runners and walkers. During the first running boom they had 1900 runners only.
During the running boom, you had to hunt for a roadrace to run in your area. There were 34!!!! races on July 4th this year just in Ohio.
Many more races now than there used to be which weakens the top end of all those races. If you took away 2/3rds of those races, the ones left would be much more competitive.
As a side note, I went out to Colorado to run after high school. While visiting Boulder, I did a handful of runs. During those runs, I would always say hi to runners going the other way. They just looked at me and went on with their run. I got the impression it wasn't a very friendly city. That was 25 years ago.
batondrop wrote:Also, many elite distance races do a lot of their training around that pace.
Name one elite racer who does 'a lot' of their training at 8 minute miles. You're mistaken.
Hi Pot, My Name Is Kettle wrote:
The sport was fine before all the slowpokes showed up and it would survive quite well if they were to disappear tomorrow.
And the world was fine until you started taking up air! Please stop breathing!
As a subsequent post said, the are many more races to select from today. If the so-called elites (which I would bet by your definition just barely includes your times) want special races just for them, go get it started and see how long they last. Tool!
And as that same post indicated, there's far less quality in those races today. Races of much higher quality lasted plenty long back in the 70s and 80s. You're just ignorant of that fact.
It's all relative folks. Your slow of today, will be your fast of tomorrow. If you run long enough, everything changes over time. I too lament the days gone by when I considered anything slower than 6:00 pace jogging. The fact is, most of kids that post on here, will be lucky to manage 6:00 pace for a 5k by their 30th birthday, and by their 40th, they will be lucky if they can run one 6:00 mile. Enjoy your youth, because it doesn't get any easier.
For those of you that are complaining about the watered down races and not enough competition....Good luck in Berlin.
Not going to the World Champs? Then I guess you eventually found good competition at some point.
Be glad you have large masses of "joggers" showing up at races. Although sponsors are the ones paying for these events the entrant fees also do make up a large chunk of the budget.
Who's complaining? I'm just correcting ignorance. Like I just did with yours.