Paula Radcliffe 10k at European Champs- 30'01... enough said
Paula Radcliffe 10k at European Champs- 30'01... enough said
My vote would have been for Lewis' jump in the 80's that cleared 30 feet but was called on a foul that when the tae was check a second time no marks were found indicating it had been a foul. But if "if's and but's were candy and nuts we'd all have a Mother Fing christmas". Komen and Mj top it for me.
sc runner wrote:
Jesse Owens tying the world record 100 yard dash in the 1936 Big 10 meet where he admitted he got a bad start.
That's not the correct year and not even half of the story.
On May 25, 1935, at the Big-10 meet at the University of Michigan, in a period of 45 minutes, Owens:
(1) Tied the WR in the 100 yard dash;
(2) Set a WR in the long jump that lasted for 25 years.
(3) Set the WR in the 220 yard dash
(4) Set the WR in the 220 hurdles (first person to break 23 minutes).
FOUR WORLD RECORDS IN 45 MINUTES!
Nothing like that has been seen before or since. It's so outrageous that I don't expect those who don't already know the story to believe it. Look it up.
Radcliffe Fan wrote:
Paula Radcliffe 10k at European Champs- 30'01... enough said
i don't think so
that was effectively a solo time-trial
adere ran 30'04 in a real race where times were not of an interest - just the win
top 3 that day were capable of < 30'00 if they had been chasing times not concerned about a gold
ventolin wrote:
Radcliffe Fan wrote:Paula Radcliffe 10k at European Champs- 30'01... enough said
i don't think so
that was effectively a solo time-trial
adere ran 30'04 in a real race where times were not of an interest - just the win
top 3 that day were capable of < 30'00 if they had been chasing times not concerned about a gold
a solo time trial? it was a championship race, in pouring rain and wind, with no one to push her, and having to run around lapped runners. you are a wallybrain if you think that makes it easy
i've always said the same about michael carter, but this year i've started to waiver. there is a freshman who threw 66' this year in NJ. He certainly has the potential to throw 80' before he's done HS.
Coach D wrote:
FOUR WORLD RECORDS IN 45 MINUTES!
Nothing like that has been seen before or since. It's so outrageous that I don't expect those who don't already know the story to believe it. Look it up.
A little more:
Owens had injured himself (allegedly) falling downstairs in a tussle with fraternity brothers. He sat under a tree, rubbing his sore back, the whole time at the Big-10. No warmup. And he had to be helped to put on his clothes.
pardon???? wrote:
a solo time trial? it was a championship race, in pouring rain and wind, with no one to push her, and having to run around lapped runners. you are a wallybrain if you think that makes it easy
eh ?
it may have been a "championship" - a meaningless euro one where next best coudn't even crack 30'45
if that's not a solo time trial, then you are clearly clueless
paris was a "global" where 1st three went 30'04, 30'07 & 30'12
that's a championship !
lapped runners ???
didn't they have to run around lapped runners in the paris race ???
the main thing about her munich race was the rain & cold, but i don't think it was overly warm in paris either
Re: Carl lewis
I've seen this jump on video and i was told no mark was recorded and they fouled it after measuring it. I also hear 9.19m and that he was still in college when he did this. The problem with the video is it is quite grainy and as the camera pans with Lewis an officials wide brimmed white hat obscures his lower leg and foot at takeoff.
What was the real deal?
Also people aren't mentioning Bubka. Not only 6 comsecutive world champs and however many (20 odd) consecutive world records but nobody else is close. For me i consider him the best example of a complete athlete in the modern times. Edwards WR triple jump also and Beamon's long jump. From a biomechanical perspective these alolng with Sedykh's hammer throwing, Wolfgang Schmidt's discus throwing, Ben Johnson's sprinting, Carl Lewis' overall athleticism, Flo Jo's sprinting, Gebrseassie's style, Seb Coe' style, Sotomajor's high jumping and Chistakova's long jumping, are the best examples for me.
and it was run on a dirt track in Oslo. I have seen pics and
it surely cannot be compared to modern mondo track. I think it
was worth another 25 secs.
Komen's 3k and ElG mile are on top of my list.
Flojo's 100m tops the women's list. For those of you who think
she was a doper, the alternative is stiff upperlip's outstanding marathon record of 2.15.25.
ventolin wrote:
pardon???? wrote:a solo time trial? it was a championship race, in pouring rain and wind, with no one to push her, and having to run around lapped runners. you are a wallybrain if you think that makes it easy
eh ?
it may have been a "championship" - a meaningless euro one where next best coudn't even crack 30'45
if that's not a solo time trial, then you are clearly clueless
paris was a "global" where 1st three went 30'04, 30'07 & 30'12
that's a championship !
lapped runners ???
didn't they have to run around lapped runners in the paris race ???
the main thing about her munich race was the rain & cold, but i don't think it was overly warm in paris either
ok, go and run around a very cold, wet and windy track on your own for 25 laps, moving out to lane 2 every now and again to overtake a joe jogger, and see how fast you run
then find at least 2 other people of a similar ability to you, and race them for 25 laps of the track in better weather conditions
you will run faster the second way
i see you forget to add that lapped runners had to be overtaken in paris race
also that wind in munich likely opposed her for 1/2 a lap & aided her for the other
rain ?
which athlete doesn't like running in cooling rain ?
that leaves the temperature
go look up temperature for both races then you have something i'm interested in reading
Beamon's LG WR
Johnson's 200m WR
Flojo 100m
Junxia's 10k
Some questionable dopers, but that wasn't the point of the thread. Komen's 3k is good but El G ran 7:23, Paula's Marathon is an honorable mention.
You don't need to make the point about the lapped runners in Paris twice, it suggests you are struggling for a decent argument
And as for your
"also that wind in munich likely opposed her for 1/2 a lap & aided her for the other"
go out and run 1 race of a lap or more in still conditions, and one in windy conditions. you will be slower in the wind, to say the aid of a backwind for 1/2 the lap is as beneficial as a headwind for the other 1/2 is detrimental suggests you know very little
and as for "rain ? which athlete doesn't like running in cooling rain ?"
there is a difference between "cooling rain" and driving rain with puddles on the track. one can help, the other does not
and as for looking up the temperatures of both races, if you're going to raise that as evidence, you go and look it up yourself, you silly sausage
the point about lapped runners is something you don't want to acknowledge for paris race, but of course for paula - that needs to be hammered home
as for wind - unless you have a miraculous wind aginst her on every lap, there is a possibility the wind couda been either net -ve or net +ve on each lap depending upon construction of the stadium & wind direction
unless you have wind gauge readings for back straight & stretch drive you have nothing to offer me
rain ? puddles ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nz_3I2l_2M8
i see a damp track, but no puddles & no evidence of any driving rain
as for temperature : if you going to drivel on about how cold one race was & another wasn't, then at least find some evidence of hard numbers
every year, the re-telling of that race seems to get more outlandish...
It was a miserable night, I was there.
I'm bored now. I agree to disagree.
Including dopers, Flo Jo's 100 is by far the best. I guess Kratochvilova's 800m WR is up there, too, but Flo Jo's is even more ridiculous. I'm not sure if it is possible to come within half a second of it clean.
Excluding obvious doper's, it has to be Beamon's LJ. Was the wind over the allowable? Who knows. What is the real evidence against the wind actually being 2.0? Some guy in the stands saying it was windier than that? A flag blowing in the background of a picture? Even if the wind were 3.0 or 4.0, he broke the world record by TWO FEET. His record very nearly survived the last 40 years of rampant PED abuse by the likes of Ben Johnson (and most likely Lewis himself). Beamon reached VERY close to the limits of human performance (perhaps even beyond it when altitude and perfect wind are considered) in the late 60's... unbelievable.
ventolin wrote:
the main thing about her munich race was the rain & cold, but i don't think it was overly warm in paris either
I was there for the Paris race in 2003 and it was a perfect evening. Not hot or cold and no wind.
Also as it was a global championship final there were fewer slow runners clogging up the track. Adere basically had a Chinese pacemaker until the final lap.
as opposed to a british pacer ?