name = optional wrote:
Ritz went 14:10 in high school, whats the big deal? Fast time but we've seen better.
That was at the Michigan International Speedway. A real doozy of a course. And probably the only HS race in recent memory better than those by Fernandez and Derrick.
14:06*
Is this the division IV state record, or the state record for any division? That old thread about how california has 4 individual state champions really has me confused now...
Its the record for all divisions
Its the record for all divisions
Looks like a very similar performance to Derricks at IL state. Footlocker nationals is going to be sick.
the crazy thing is that division 4 is usually the second slowest of all five california xc races. the winner is usually 15:30 and above (back in the day around 16 min would win). he ran this thing completely solo. i wonder why he didn't move up to division I (did his team place high in div 4?)
think about all of the top california guys and guys in the west that have ran this course. meb's best, i believe, was 14:56 or 52. sick!
you cannot "move up" at the Cal state meet. The divisions are set by the CIF each year and there is no movement.
I was unaware of this. What is the course really like? The Woodward Park course isn't too difficult- a good cross country course in the true sense of the word- but it does have about half a dozen rolling hills and a couple of 50-100m inclines. It's definitely not easy to PR on. You got to understand though that no one else in California prep xc history has never run within 14 seconds of how fast Fernandez ran the other night, and yes, that only goes back as far as when the state meet started, but it does include
All-Time Boys List
1. Marc Davis (San Diego) 1986 14:38
2. Eric Reynolds (Camarillo) 1982 14:39
2. Bryan Dameworth (Agoura) 1989 14:39
4. Jay Marden (Mission San Jose, Fremont) 14:40
5. Louie Quintana (Arroyo Grande) 1990 14:47
6. Tom Ansberry (Santa Rita, Tucson, Az) 1980 14:49
6. Calvin Gaziano (Castro Valley) 1984 14:49
8. Ryan Hall (Big Bear) 2000 14:50
9. Jon Butler (Edison, Huntington Beach) 1980 14:52
10. Dan Mazo (South, Eugene, Oregon) 1980 14:53
10. Matthew Davis (Mead, Spokane, Wa) 1993 14:53
12. Mark Mastalir (Jesuit, Sacramento) 1985 14:54
12. Tracy Garrison (Klamath Falls, Or) 1983 14:54
14. Chris Caldwell (Tucson, Az) 1982 14:55
14. Mark Dani (Valhalla, El Cajon) 14:55
16. Francis O'Neill (San Pasqual, Escondido) 14:56
17. Jim Ortiz (Barstow) 1982 14:57
17. Brad Hudson (South, Eugene, Or) 1982 14:57
17. Theo Martin (Page, Az) 1992 14:57
17. Matt Farley (Jesuit, Sacramento) 1993 14:57
21. Jesus Gutierrez (Pasadena) 1982 14:58
21. Jason Balkman (San Jose) 1994 14:58
Maybe I should start thinking about making arrangements to go down to my old stomping grounds and watch Derrick, Fernandez and the bunch of them toe the line.
yeah divisions are set by the number of students in each school. the reason div. 1 and div. 2 usually produce the fastest times is simply because they have the highest volume of students, so chances are they'll have the best runners. regardless of division, german would have probably ran the same exact time.
[quote]irun wrote:
You got to understand though that no one else in California prep xc history has never run within 14 seconds of how fast Fernandez ran the other night [quote]
Not every prep Californian in prep xc history has run this course.
sj quik wrote:
the crazy thing is that division 4 is usually the second slowest of all five california xc races.
Um... Team wise, the division is relatively slow. However, the division has seen some amazing talent over the last 8 years.
2000 Ryan Hall 14:50
2001 Billy Nelson 15:18 (in an absolute downpour)
2003 Mohamed Tarfeh & Alex Dunn low 15s (don't remember time off top of head)
2005 German Fernandez 15:14
2006 Chad Hall 15:08
2007 German Fernandez 14:24
The winning times in D4 have been on par with or better than the winners of most other divisional races (Tarfeh won in 2002 also but I don't remember his time. 2004 was the only "slow" year. Winner was 15:4x, but the race was also run in a downpour.
if you read the rest of that sentence, you'll see that i made that point.
Tarfeh --> Trafeh
how old is German?
flook. he had a great day. i ran 1358 on the track. my fastest race other than that day, 14:40. he had a great day. enjoy puberty and racism. they are both a bitch.
trafeh and dunn were D3
On letsruns frontpage they refer to Germans run as the best high school performance ever. Well I don't think so. Back in 1987 I witnessed one far better by a fella named Greg Anderson at the OFSAA(Ontario, Canada)Track and Field Championships. . After running 3:46 for 1500m the night before which saw him fall at the start and lose 40-50 yds to the field, Greg came back the next day to run 8min:00secs.24 for 3,000m running 2mins even for the final 800m. Greg was on pace to go 8:33 for 2 Miles. That performance was chilly. He went on to a University career at Harvard but never met up to the potential put on him. Lots had to do with him breaking his foot only a few weeks after the 8:00 3k. when helping his father Greg dropped a railway tie on his foot.
University should be Dartmouth, not Harvard my error was thinking of Mke Belbeck another solid area runner who came up with the likes of Graham Hood, Jason Bunston, Kevin Sullivan to name a few.
Another one better then German's was Kevin Sullivan High School sub 4min Mile 3:59.23 I believe it was. I known alittle something about that one as I rabbited him that day thru 800m.