Arkansas stripped of '04 and '05 Outdoor National Championships

JW Wrote: By the way almost every division I athlete has access to free tutoring through their academic centers. As for Rupp even if he is on a full ride he probably is still paying for something as far as living expenses go. I know kids whose full ride scholarships don't even cover their housing and food because the University sets the scholarship limit and that does not even cover the cost of living in the dorms and eating in the cafeteria

You dont think that Oregon is covering all of Rupp's expenses for school, with Nike and salazar having so much pull. If you dont think that they are your kidding yourself. He was Nike's golden boy long before going to Oregon

Hoggey wrote:

A VOLUNTEER COACH WHO OWNED A GRASS CUTTING BUSINESS, PROVIDED TYSON GAY WITH FREE RIDES ALL OF THE TIME DURNG YEAR ONE. THIS WAS INSTRUCTED BY BRAUMAN.

Pathetic wrote:

The NCAA has become a complete joke.

Reggie Bush's family gets a house and USC will not be penalized in any way.

Tyson Gay gets a ride and a tudor and they kick Arkansas in the teeth.

You think they know where the money comes from?

Joe Walker perhaps?

Pathetic wrote:

The NCAA has become a complete joke.

Reggie Bush's family gets a house and USC will not be penalized in any way.

Tyson Gay gets a ride and a tudor and they kick Arkansas in the teeth.

You think they know where the money comes from?

You need a lesson in life.

In this case they knew what was going on, this is all that they could nail them on.

In USC's case, when more money is involved you can't bust on little things like this, which I'm sure they have the proof on something of the Tyson Gay scale. USC will not be brought down unless they have a slam dunk on a major person in the organization, otherwise the public will not really support it.

so the rules are about public support? I thought they were about keeping a level playing field and enforcing the agreed upon boundaries.

Hayduke is a notorious Arkansas hater, and has been for a long time...tsk tsk. Jealousy is not a color you wear well, Hayduke.

mister rogers wrote:

so the rules are about public support? I thought they were about keeping a level playing field and enforcing the agreed upon boundaries.

You thought wrong. Its ok, we all believed that at one point.

Mrr82, you always were the a huge piece of shit. No wonder you are the biggest joke in the history of internet running message boards.

Go back to dyestat, fool. Kids there arent old enough to realize you're a total blowhard. You might actually get some of them to buy your bullshit. But not here.

okay then hayduke, so what you're admitting is that the NCAA does know where the money comes from as so truthfully stated by someone else? I'm not arguing with the fact that the NCAA is a dirty organization, I'm arguing with you saying it isn't. You have contradicted yourself man.

if not then they could say that what reggie did was enough against the rules, as in tyson's case, that his accomplishments should be wiped away from the team. As Tyson's points were taken away so should his, therefore USC doesn't win a national title ever (they only won one).

you're saying that the public wouldn't accept this and wouldn't think it's fair to take away their title. well who gives a damn what the public thinks is fair? there are plenty of guys on the arkansas team who have just been told that two of their rings no longer have merit, to these athletes the news is just as devastating as it would be to any player on a USC team.

Was the NCAA ruling fair, maybe so. a rule was broken and an athlete who played a significant role in two NCAA titles shouldn't have been on the track to contribute to those titles. The case is no different than a minor infraction by a USC football team though.

I presume that you know or it has been stated on the thread that there where both a number of infractions, some more minor than others. It was the number of the infractions that was important plus a couple that were bigger. In the important category were the ones where they enrolled him into a (or two) math classes so that he could transfer and he got credit although he did not do anything for those classes and would not have been eligible (I think, maybe not able to transfer) without those class. His coach, Brauman, just finished serving 12 months in the federal pen for his part in related activities. Does this sound like a minor, ticky-tack (set of)infraction(s), especially for a school on probation?

mister rogers wrote:

okay then hayduke, so what you're admitting is that the NCAA does know where the money comes from as so truthfully stated by someone else? I'm not arguing with the fact that the NCAA is a dirty organization, I'm arguing with you saying it isn't. You have contradicted yourself man.

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i said it isnt??? whu, guh, buh?

what i am saying is that knowing someone is doing something illegal and proving it are different things. and when it comes to proving it against someone like USC then yes, clearly 100% without a doubt, the publics opinion plays a role in it. NCAA is going to make sure the have a winnable case before they take on a popular money making program like USC.

joes wrote:

I'm just curious about how Galen Rupp has sacrificed more then any other US runner by going to college?

I know 4 years of free room and board and books is quite I sacrifice. i argue this with anyone that claims athletes in college should be paid. They are already getting over $100,000 (estimated) in education, food, room, books. If anything let them have jobs then cant complain if they dont have money

First he ran for nothing before joining Oregon, then he had to pay back 6k so that he could run. And he's passed up about a million dollars over the past 3 years. He would have landed at least a 250k contract like Webb has with his popularity among the young runners, whether fresh off his 1337 5k hr and ajr, or the next year fresh off his 749 jr record and 2815 jr record, or this year off his ACR 2733 10k. He keeps passing up HUGE opportunities for contracts while he's on fire, with NO guarantee he'll be able to ever get a contract again if he goes down with a serious injury. What runner has given up that time and time again who had the opp?

mister rogers wrote:

Gay should be banned from track and field forever because he allowed a coach and his family to show him some hospitality and help him out? I don't know how far this deal goes and I've heard some stuff that sounds maybe even a little more obvious than the stuff they detailed in the report. However, you're assertion that Tyson should be banned from track and field forever shows just how ignorant and biased you must be.

Your post goes to show how ignorant and biased and STUPID you are. My reasoning for him being banned for life had little to do with anything in your post. Wake up to the truth.

26mi235 wrote:...His coach, Brauman, just finished serving 12 months in the federal pen for his part in related activities. Does this sound like a minor, ticky-tack (set of)infraction(s), especially for a school on probation?

You might wanna check, Brauman went to prison for activities at CC in Kansas, not for what he did at Arkansas.

The multiple infractions refer to Hog basketball and football stuff as the precedents; the track program is paying for it. The NCAA counts things in bundles, baskets, or the number of reports per sport, not in something simple sounding.

so with no evidence you are assuming that he is doing something else that would merit a lifetime ban?

way to go buddy, you're awesome, and me, well i'm stupid for not making baseless assumptions. under your set of reasoning i sure would hate to be a great athlete.

ever seen monty python? WITCH!!!!

Why is everybody on letsrun either a racist, a hater, or xenophobic?

Distance runners are such geeks. Most of you are probably 34 min 10K road runners anyway. The whole lot of you are losers.

Tyson Gay is a black man with three gold medals? Oh we must hate on him! I am a fun runner in the park and he is disrespecting my sport. You are probabaly the same geeks that run with water bottles strapped to their waistband and those clima cool vest things. Geeks! Geeks! Geeks!

mister rogers wrote:

so with no evidence you are assuming that he is doing something else that would merit a lifetime ban?

way to go buddy, you're awesome, and me, well i'm stupid for not making baseless assumptions. under your set of reasoning i sure would hate to be a great athlete.

ever seen monty python? WITCH!!!!

Uhhhh, dearie me, what the hell are you getting at here?

I have not mentioned any ban of any kind.

So, did you float or sink?

not talking to you man. different conversation.

mister rogers wrote:

not talking to you man. different conversation.

Strange...says "In reply to Erbli" right up there. Ah well, it's just a message board, who cares how things read...

So ? Arkansas doesn't have the olympians USC and UCLA has. I'd rather make the olympics that get a college certificate, wouldn't anyone.