Gerry wrote:
Myself, on the other hand, sit with my head in my hands weeping over and over again, WHY WHY. There were drugs that would have caused my squeeky voice to become lower and I didn't even know they were there. Why was I so left out? I will have this high squeeky voice forever.
Hah! You crack me up, Gerry. You should write a(nother) book. Nice job stickimg up for MJ. I believe he was legit, too.
marijuologist wrote:
OK fair enough. Although I think I represented the remark properly as nothing more than heresy
Do you mean hearsay? or heresy?
Is it illegal to take EPO just for personal use??? I mean lets say you want to have more energy throughout the day, to be able to work harder at work, would it be illegal to take EPO for that reason?
"Is it illegal to use EPO for personal use?"
Not at all little buddy. I can lead a shareholder's meeting and flourish the laser pointer for 70 minutes with no lactate accumulation in my massive, canonball delts.
If I were a US Senator I would squash Strom's philabuster record like the weak PR that it is... in trainer wing-tips.
Big Stud CEO wrote:
Not at all little buddy. I can lead a shareholder's meeting and flourish the laser pointer for 70 minutes with no lactate accumulation in my massive, canonball delts.
If I were a US Senator I would squash Strom's philabuster record like the weak PR that it is... in trainer wing-tips.
POY!
Yeah, brilliant. Pointing out a spelling/grammar error that was already noted 18 posts ago. Congrats.
Yeah, brilliant. Making fun of mentally disabled kids. Congrats.
One of the more interesting things I've seen and read in track was Roger Black's reaction after getting second to Michael Johnson in the 1996 Olympic 400. While he didn't come out and say it, Black quite obviously believed Johnson to be "doped to the gills" and that he (Black) was the real winner.
As I've pointed out more than once, Rosa coaches Josh Cox. Jos Hermens managed Sarah Schwald, Meb and SFH. Just because an individual may have a shady past (I don't know a whole lot about Gabrielle Rosa, and I do know about Jos) doesn't mean that all athletes that individual is associated with are automatic cheats.
And by insinuating that Kenyans would be stupid for not using drugs, aren't you implying that you would cheat given the opportunity? I've known a lot of Kenyans and Ethiopians and compared to Americans/Europeans, the latter is seems much more inclined to short cuts and cheating than the former, especially when some dumbass like Cathal Lombard buys in to the idea that it's the only way someone can compete.
Lighten up, Francis.
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Roger Black was too slow to beat Michael Johnson.
Big Stud CEO wrote:
Not at all little buddy. I can lead a shareholder's meeting and flourish the laser pointer for 70 minutes with no lactate accumulation in my massive, canonball delts.
If I were a US Senator I would squash Strom's philabuster record like the weak PR that it is... in trainer wing-tips.
you know what I mean! Lets just say you work a construction type job and you just want to overall more energy. By taking EPO you obviously would have a little more strength. Would it be illegal to take it?
Diagnosis wrote:
Roger Black was too slow to beat Michael Johnson.
Carl Lewis was too slow to beat Ben Johnson.
Evelyn Ashford was too slow to beat Flo-Jo.
Correct. What is your point?
Diagnosis wrote:
Correct. What is your point?
Uh, that both King Carl and E Ashford were clean???
Hmmm .... a lot like saying that the Tooth Fairy was too slow to beat the Easter Bunny.
track insider wrote:
One of the more interesting things I've seen and read in track was Roger Black's reaction after getting second to Michael Johnson in the 1996 Olympic 400. While he didn't come out and say it, Black quite obviously believed Johnson to be "doped to the gills" and that he (Black) was the real winner.
how on earth is that "one of the more interesting things (you)'ve seen and read in track" ?? A drug insinuation against the winner, by someone who lost to that person, wow, that's only happened a few thousands times.
And let me guess, you BELIEVE Mr Black, because, despite his name, he is a white guy, and you'd just love to believe that the black guy cheated, and the white guy was really better I bet. That the general opinion of so many on these boards. Every time you see a "what would the WR be if there were no drugs in track thread," the majority of posts put the "REAL" records in almost all events back to times that white runners have achieved. Geez, what a friggin' coincidence!
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I have heard from a reliable insider that The Tooth Fairy would absolutely destroy the corpulent Easter Bunny due to the fact that she utilizes the P.O.S.E. Method to the extent that she literally flies through the air.
Oh yeah, Michael Johnson was clean and those like you and Roger Black are simply slow, jealous haters.
and of course wrote:
track insider wrote:One of the more interesting things I've seen and read in track was Roger Black's reaction after getting second to Michael Johnson in the 1996 Olympic 400. While he didn't come out and say it, Black quite obviously believed Johnson to be "doped to the gills" and that he (Black) was the real winner.
how on earth is that "one of the more interesting things (you)'ve seen and read in track" ?? A drug insinuation against the winner, by someone who lost to that person, wow, that's only happened a few thousands times.
And let me guess, you BELIEVE Mr Black, because, despite his name, he is a white guy, and you'd just love to believe that the black guy cheated, and the white guy was really better I bet. That the general opinion of so many on these boards. Every time you see a "what would the WR be if there were no drugs in track thread," the majority of posts put the "REAL" records in almost all events back to times that white runners have achieved. Geez, what a friggin' coincidence!
Who is the person most likely to break the doped-to-the-gills MJ's 400 WR? Jeremy Wariner. Is JW white? Why---YES. Who is his agent? Michael Johnson! Who is his coach? Clyde Hart, AKA The doped-to-the-gills Michael Johnson's coach! Is Jeremy on a similar sort of doping program to the one Michael was on?
Now why in the world would anyone think THAT???!!!!
"Mr Black, because, despite his name, he is a white guy,"
wasn't roger black, indeed black? either way, you have some major bottled up issues with race, dude.
