Maybe Nick Willis should pace him to a 3:46? Nick could easily run a 3:44 himself these days.
Maybe Nick Willis should pace him to a 3:46? Nick could easily run a 3:44 himself these days.
Peeps I love wrote:
webby wrote:Lukezic Chris USA
Looks like it was done just for Alan.
Lukezic will be lucky if he can run 400 meters at Webb's pace.
Chicken lover, what is your problem? Chris has been ill for the last week with bronchitis. I don't know if he will be well to run this race on Sunday.
May I ask how you know this? Also, I assume Ritz and Abdi will be trying to run under 13:10, which would mean low 7:50s for 3000. Will Dobson really be able to do that after the 1500?
webby wrote:
Ritz is in the 5000, which Dobson will rabbit about 90 minutes after he races a 1500.
I think this is good wrote:
May I ask how you know this?
webby wrote:Ritz is in the 5000, which Dobson will rabbit about 90 minutes after he races a 1500.
Its in the start list.
http://www.acbreak.be/Docs/Deelnemerslijst%20hoofdprogramma%20AV-meeting.xlsIt seems Like Myers may be rallying this summer. Ran 3:36 at adidas, 3:36 at Lausanne, and 3:37 in Sheffield. I don't see him on the Brassadt start though. Is he done for season?
I admire the talent and determination of Webb to go for the AR in the mile. However, why risk flaming out prior
to the World Championships?
pert wrote:
I admire the talent and determination of Webb to go for the AR in the mile. However, why risk flaming out prior
to the World Championships?
How is 1 race going to cause a "flame out"?
can someone post the 1500/mile/5000 start lists to this thread. i don't have the spreedsheet reader.
Flotrack will have the race.
your future made easier wrote:
How is 1 race going to cause a "flame out"?
Some people think you only have so many all-out, 100% efforts per season.
Does anyone know what happened to Lukezic this year. Last year he ran a 3:33 1500 and now probably won't even beat Fountain, a runner very much Lukezic's equal.
Alas, we had the highest hopes for Lukezic when he made the World 1500 meter indoor finals last year. Then came two consecutive 3:33 runs the following outdoor season.
The main difference now and in 1982 is that back then Scott and Maree had great backups like the upcoming Jim Spivey(3:49mile), Tom Byers (3:50 mile), and Todd Harbour (3:51). There was also 5k expert John Gregorek (3:51 Mile) that could be called on for the mile.
Obviously, Webb will break 3:50 Saturday. It is just a case of by how many seconds. We have waited a quarter century for this day. Scott set his record during the summer of ET and Fast Times at Ridgemont High. It was that long ago.
He won't flame out. He has five weeks to recover after the race.
I think Webb, Manzano and Lagat happened to Lukezic.
Otherwise, 3:36 at the US Trials makes the team any other year.
I also just noticed that the year wasn't over.
1500 Women A 17.50
Van Beek Corinne NED PACE
Mc Williams Tiffany USA
Mortimer Amy USA
Shadle Ann USA
Metcalfe Megan CAN
Grove Andrea CAN
Muncan Marina SERV
Vashuk Irina UKR
Martins Maria FRA
Belete Mimi KKS
Pruvost Fanny FRA
Lyngstad Hanne NOR
Fleshmann Lauren USA
Galavis Lisa USA
Deatherage Jenelle USA
Kitushi Rosemary VAC
Donohue Erin USA
1500 men A 18.05
Verbrughe David FRA PACE
Jansen Joeri RIEME
Van Rooy Tom ACHL
Brooks Thomas USA
Jefferson Sean USA
Jefferson John USA
McKenzie Ryan CAN
Warrenburg Ryan USA
Coolsaet Reid CAN
Graham Sean USA
Hamblyn Paul NZL
Hyett Gareth NZL
Smith Max NZL
Aguayo Aaron USA
O'Keefe Brendan USA
Eraud Guillaume FRA
Kamal Alithemer QAT
Dobson Ian USA
400 men B 18.20
Klaasen Martijn NED 1
Verekauta Niko FIJI 2
Verschueren Peter ACBR 3
Kamut Moses VAN 4
Deveughele Piet FLAC 5
Gybels Niels AVZK 6
400 men A 18.27
Vritcic Joze SLO 1
Innes Cory NZL 2
Potter Mitch USA 3
Witherspoon Reggie USA 4
Scherer Matt USA 5
Sasaki Yudai JAP 6
100 women A 18.35
Okabe Nao JAP 1
Spierenburg Kristel NED 2
Van Assendelft Pascal NED 3
Cullen Fiona CABW 4
Bogemans Elke ACW 5
Hodde Rosina NED 6
100 men A 18.42
1
Dolphin James NZL 2
Ferro Anthony CABW 3
Demi Omole USA 4
Farmer Kyle USA 5
Ward Alex NED 6
800 women A 18.55
Pruvost Chloe FRA PACE
Teteris Aimee CAN
Johnstone Rebecca CAN
Ross Joanna SCO
Howard Julia CAN
Van De Veen Jose NED
Halima Hachlaf MAR
Falhun Carine FRA
Green Nikeya USA
Cook Nicole USA
Matthijs Lieselot OB
Fouquet Virginie FRA
Jaber Najla NED
Long Jump Women 19.05
Mey Karen RSA
Stadnyuk Oleksa UKR
King Tameisha USA
Shchors Olena UKR
Cooke Gillian SCO
Aerts Sara AVOS
Vercammen Eveline ACBR
Kortbeek Valentine NED
Verduyn Karlien AVKA
Meert Cynthia LAT
High Jump Men 19.05
Stroobants Stijn LAT
Nuyens Martijn NED
Harris Marcus USA
Hubert Timothy EA
Cianci Matthias FRA
Vrysen Vincent AVT
Fouquet Lyderic FRA
Speer/Javelin Men 19.05
Goyvaerts Tom OLSE
Claes Chris RIEME
Blommerde Jeroen AT84
Van Den Bossche Vincent DUFF
Vercruysse Jarno FLAC
800 men A 19.05
Brunez Guillaume FRA PACE
Matthys Thomas ACBR
Harris Jebreh USA
Ruto Nahashon KEN
Thompson Floyd USA
Langat Jackson KEN
Elliot Kevin USA
Yousfi Driss FRA
Barre Julien FRA
Lastenet Jeff FRA
Duym Jelle RCG
Lomba Jimmy FRA
5000 women A 19.15
Vaschuk Irina UKR PACE
O'Neill Kate USA
Huddle Molly USA
Hastings Amy USA
Lucas Julia USA
Inatomi Yukari JAP
Akbar Samia USA
Hirokawa Maya JAP
Loubelle Nathalie BBS
Dewaele Griet DEIN
Homma Annelies NED
Panhuyzen Machtild NED
Verstraeten Jolanda NED
Lambrechts Nathalie ACBR
5000 men A 19.40
Mahon Terren USA PACE 1
Dobson Ian USA PACE 2
Cragg Alistair IRL
Maase Kamiel NED
Carlson Andrew USA
King Kyle USA
Morgan Thomas USA
Haas Stephen USA
Olinger Brian USA
Gabrielson Mat USA
Asmeron Bolota USA
Fagah Martin IRL
Safronov Dmitriy RUS
Marofit Mourad MAR
Selmouni Anes MAR
Summerside Seth USA
Gillis Eric CAN
Koborsi Rod USA
Ritzenheim Dathan USA
Nasserchams Kareem QAT
Essa Ismail Rached QAT
Nasser Jamal Nasser QAT
200 women B 20.05
1
2
Verboven An RAM 3
Okabe Nao JAP 4
Verboven Nathalie RAM 5
6
200 women A 20.12
1
Spierenburg Kristel NED 2
Van Assendelft Pascal NED 3
Bogemans Elke ACW 4
Nagakura Yuka JAP 5
Baarse Judith NED 6
200 men B 20.20
1
Bruins Harm 2
Ward Alex NED 3
Suzuki Yoshi JAP 4
Goffaux Simon CABW 5
6
200 men A 20.27
1
Dolphin James NZL 2
Ferro Anthony CABW 3
Witherspoon Reggie USA 4
Farmer Kyle USA 5
Vritcic Joze SLO 6
800 women B 20.35
Pruvost Chloe FRA PACE
Aiken Alyssa USA
Castle Jennie USA
McMahon Emily USA
Debroux Charlotte DCLA
Luxem Xenia OLSE
Begue Sorelle FRA
Baudour Claire FRA
Hoppenbrouwers Maja ACBR
Brooks Vicky USA
Haring Renata NED
Grutters Ingrid NED
Tavares Laura FRA
800 men B 20.45
Verschueren Peter ACBR PACE
Myers Rob USA
Emmen Tetloo USA
Kuchino Takeshi JAP
Feyaerts Matti VAC
Ruell Kim DCLA
Van Aelst Stefan ACBR
Teugels Dimitri ACBR
De Bock Maarten RCG
Profitt Vincent FRA
Bocar Kane FRA
Luyckx Tim OEH
Papaert Wouter RCG
Mile men 21.00
Youcef Abdi PACE 1
Surrum Samson PACE 2
Webb Alan USA
Fountain Mark AUS
Lukezic Chris USA
Dame Tasama RFCL
1500 women B 21.15
Deelstra Andrea NED
Carlstrom Keira USA
Anderson Brianna USA
De Schryder Selien VS
Van Accom Sofie ACHL
Laurijsen Griet ARAC
Van Den Bogaert Valerie ACW
Van De Voorde Lies DUFF
Van Sinay Evelien VS
Bellemans Hannelore LAT
Bergman Laurence OEH
Montfils Charlotte CABW
Montfils Pauline CABW
Hendrickx Melissa ZELE
Leunis Nena VS
Van Der Meeren Lisa VS
Onderbeek Sari VS
Bosmans Kim AVT
Hubert Clemence BBS
Lauwers Shana AVOS
Hauzeur Roxane CABW
1500 men B 21.27
David Romain FRA PACE
Thielen Chris LUX
Caraciolo Rob Guin
Defaux Marc FRA
Van Den Heuvel Maarten NED
Beugnet Greg FRA
Scheurwater Ruben NED
Weerts Jean-Pierre DAMP
Dumont Damien ULA
Mahieu Justin DAMP
Marrison Paul CAN
Watson Luke USA
Keysers Noel NED
Konings Roger RFCL
1500 men C 21.37
Bouchiki Soufiane OLSE
De Bock Thomas VS
Van De Hurk Gerwin NED
Hundo Julien FRA
Janssens Koen AVOS
Van De Weghe Lieven KKS
Van Dyck Pieter ACHL
Van Ophem Jeremy DCLA
Van Der Elst Frederik ZA
Otten Michiel NED
Hausman Thomas DAMP
Szigetti Ron NED
De Schrijver Davy LAT
De Beule Jurgen OLSE
Dewulf Pieter RIEME
Wytinck Thomas RIEME
Van Den Bergh Bert VAC
1500 men D 21.45
Daniels Andrew AVOS
Reniers Karel ACA
Van Beek Rob ARAC
Dillen Nils ACHL
Van Der Elst Wouter VS
De Schrijver Dimtri ZELE
Van Elsuewe Tim ZELE
Ghysels Stijn VS
Hendrickx Nicolas VS
Wens Jan ARAC
Bourdij Sabri DS
Thiebout Thimotee DS
Joly Jente DUFF
Colonval Nicolas FLEU
Geens Gunther ACHL
Bömer David NED
5000 men B 21.55
Bong Bernard HF
Lauwers Aurelien CABW
Hassan Ali CABW
Bergmann Sebastien OEH
Grenier Laurent HF
Van Roey Jan ACBR
Vallee Francois DS
Guelton Gaetan DS
I hope Webb gets the record and think he will in the near future, but this race set-up for him doesn't seem like the best way to do it. Having competition around him would really help instead of just having 2 rabbits pace him through a time trial. Maybe the crowd can give him an extra boost but I think he has a better chance of setting the AR in a race with competition.
Lukezic has run under 3:35 a handful of time. He will be back. In the era of Stember, Lunn, and Berryhill, Lukezic would have won the trials!
I still think Myers is more talented.
All the best to Webb in this attempt.
I agree that on paper the rest doesn't seem like the ideal setup, given that no one is going to push him to it after 1200m. On the flip side, Webb seems to enjoy being a front-runner, so he wouldn't necessarily need (or want?) someone to pull him to the AR.
I looked at history to see how many mile times run faster than Scott's 3:47.69 were set in races where no other finisher broke 3:50. It has happened 7 times (out of 22), and only 4 times where no one else broke 3:52.
Morceli did it three times in 93, including his PR and the former world record of 3:44.39 in Rieti. Goes to show how far ahead of the competition he was that year.
Aouita did it twice, in 1985 and in 1987. Ray Flynn ran a 3:51 in his 1985 race.
El Guerrouj did it in Nice in 1998--El G ran 3:44.6, Rotich ran 3:51.x He did it again in London in 1999, Laban Rotich ran a 3:50.79 in that race.
9 times the second place finisher has at least been in the ballpark--the consummate example of this being the El Guerrouj-Ngeny duel in '99 where the WR was set. Scott had John Walker and Ray Flynn to push him to his fastest time, which was just off the world record back in 82.
6 times a "sub-Scott" time was run by a 2nd or 3rd place finisher... hard to imagine running a 3:46.7 and finishing 3rd...
I don't know how this analysis would look if we used a similar method for 1500m races. There would be more races to full from, but there's always been more mystique to breaking mile records.
With all respect to Scott, I agree this is a record that finally needs to go down! It was set before Webb was born!
not the "ideal set up?" i beg to differ.
with ideal racing conditions (no wind, nice temp, even rabbits through 1200), webb is very capable of running 3:47 low this saturday.
youtube webbs 3:51 at drake:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=gKxqeJcUx-A
he ran that time primarily off strength training. i don't think he could have run 3:30 then. now, with some fine tuning (800m and 1500m pr), he is ready to run 4 sec faster.
DRAKE RECAP
- webb ran the last 600m by himself
- windy day
- uneven rabbiting job (55, 60)
Cram came through in 1:53 high en route to 3:46.
56, 57, 57, 57 = the record falls
The announcers in that drake video were really terrible- the one for sure "Jefferson wants the record for himself" about 5 seconds later jefferson steps off "He was the pace setter, what is known as the rabbit" Man- that announcer was an idiot.