Kip Keino's 3:34.9 in Mex-City maybe best 1500 Ever

langat wrote:

it was a 3:34.9 at 2241m

http://www.runworks.com/calculator.html

says 3:18:53.7 at sea level...

I don't know about that but it was certainly damn fast.

And this was in 1969!

and he was sick

and it was hot

and he raced a few times before this.

Wow I love that running calculator...and it seems fairly online with other calculators and comparable enough with races i have ran my self. thanks for posting that.

I believe Keino was better suited to running (physiologically) at altitude than at sea level. ONE of his fastest times ever (3:37) was at South Lake Tahoe (7,000 feet) in 1970.

Also, how the heck did he win 1972 Oly steeplechase????

Ralph Doubell ran a 1:44.40 800m in the Mexico City games... also a good time for an altitude run.

Japheth Kimutai has run 1:43.71 in Nairobi

These are the fastest distance times ever at altitude.

Unsurprisingly, they are all in Nairobi and run by Kenyans

800m Japheth Kimutai 1:43.71

1500m Laban Rotich 3:33.1

3000m Benjamin Maiyo 7:43.22

Steeple Ezekiel Kemboi 8:12.55

5000m Isaac Songok 13:11.1

10000m Paul Kosgei 27:44.14

Half-M Philemon Gitia Baaru 61:21

Marathon Hosea Kiprop Rotich 2:10:17

It's the best run during an Olympic final ever, both as a time (at that altitude!) and as a competitive performance -- he beat the world recordholder by 3 seconds -- the largest winning margin in Olympic history.

Ryun's 3:37.9 is also a great performance, coming off an illness and injury-plagued year. He was not at top form in 1968. He has nothing to be ashamed of. He lost to the greatest performance in Olympic history.

Keino's performance is incredible because it was the third race he ran. Earlier, he finished second in the 5,000 and also competed in the 10,000. The final was not a slow, wait and kick race, but went out hard from the gun. He had Jipcho's pacing help, but Jipcho dropped off after 800 so Keino led the last 700 meters. Even more impressive is the fact that Ryun's famed kick gained him exactly 0 time on the last lap -- he was behind Keino by 3 seconds at the bell and at the tape he was still 3 seconds behind.

Googling and saw this ... Just really unbelievable!

LMT wrote:

Is it true that at 2200+ meters 3:34.9 would be equal to 3:26.3?

26mi235 wrote:

As for Beamon's leap, it is not so Beamonesque. It had, officially, a 2.0mps wind, the highest allowable for record purposes. However, accounts often indicate that the actual wind speed was even higher - we will never know for sure. You did not see any similar jumps because it started pouring ran right afterwards. If you look at the TJ you will find that the record was destroyed by several jumpers; not by as much, relatively, but a big breaking. He also got "all" of the board (and almost a little extra) .

He should get credit for getting all of the board. It is part of the event and he executed. I have no idea why you would attempt to downplay or downgrade his leap on the grounds that he executed it perfectly??

He must be ill today.

This thread proves that this board was so much better in 2007.

follow through wrote:

If it was actually equivalent to that time, how come Keino never came close to that equivalent when racing at sea level.

More likely, simple calculations such as that are bogus. The performance, while great, was no where near the equivalent of 3:26

In Kenyan meets, Keino would run the 4 X 400m for the police team in addition to the distance events. And at global games he would always run in at least two events or more. From 1964 to 1972, he always ran in 2 or 3 events at the Commonwealth games, African championships and the Olympics.

So Could it be because he over-raced and never specialized?

Keino's goal was never to set personal bests. It was always to win as many medals as possible.

Rudishas ran a lot quicker that the 1:43.71 you've got listed on 2012

1:42.12A 1 OT Nairobi 23 Jun

JRinaldi wrote:

Rudishas ran a lot quicker that the 1:43.71 you've got listed on 2012

1:42.12A 1 OT Nairobi 23 Jun

10 year old thread

LOL - that's why we love letsrun....nothing ever dies

2007 thread wrote:

JRinaldi wrote:

Rudishas ran a lot quicker that the 1:43.71 you've got listed on 2012

1:42.12A 1 OT Nairobi 23 Jun

10 year old thread

History hasn't changed and that's what this is about.

jtupper wrote:

Keino at Mexico City

13Oct 10k DNF

15 Oct 5K heat winner in 14:28

17 Oct 5k 2nd in 14:05.2 (14:05.0 won it)

18 Oct 1500 1st in heat 1 (3:46.9)

19 Oct 1500 2nd in semi (3:51.4)

20 Oct 1500 1st in final (3:34.9 Olympic record)

56.0(Jipcho) 1:55.3 (Keino) 2:53.4 (Keino)

not bad 8 days of work

Ah, this brings back memories. Jack Daniels (aka jtupper) used to post on here with some regularity. And we heard from people like Ruth Wysocki and Jim Spivey, as well.

Things change. I've never been on a discussion board that *didn't* progressively become more polarized, nasty, and generally uncivil. There just seems to be a natural life cycle for discussion boards.

Mr. Obvious wrote:

He should get credit for getting all of the board. It is part of the event and he executed. I have no idea why you would attempt to downplay or downgrade his leap on the grounds that he executed it perfectly??

I don't think that is downplaying it. I don't think any long jumper has 100% control over the precise point they take off - the difference between 1cm over the line and 1cm behind it is more about chance than the athlete's own ability, and that could be the difference between breaking the record and recording a no jump. That's especially true when it's windy, which makes the run-up harder to judge.

If we're talking the greatest 1500m ever, surely the 1974 Commonwealth Games deserves a mention (2 under the previous world record, 5 new national records). According to the Sydney Morning Herald (http://www.smh.com.au/sport/pssst-all-summer-20140201-31tyk.html), the Australian runner who finished 5th ran the 7th fastest time ever to that point!

2007 thread wrote:

JRinaldi wrote:

Rudishas ran a lot quicker that the 1:43.71 you've got listed on 2012

1:42.12A 1 OT Nairobi 23 Jun

10 year old thread

I wonder if Calculo will turn up dressed as Ventolin sometime soon?

how high mountains do you have in the UK (bloke)?