Fanof430 wrote:
Actually I agree with you 100%. Why slow down? Isn't the purpose of running races to give it your 100% all and do your best? If you deliberately slow down at the end, you are not doing your best.
I agree too.
You didn't see Herb Elliott doing that limp wristed type of stuff. Same for Filbert Bayi and Noureddine Morceli.
They were classy runners and took their running and racing quite seriously.
actually Morceli would ease up in races. he did it a lot. same with el guerrouj.
the purpose of running races is to win, not this huggy-feely crap of giving your 100%.
teclo wrote:
uhh hate to break it to you, pre would ease up in the end of races too.
I didn't know that. Which ones did he ease up in?
dual meets early on in the college season. he wouldn't do a mad sprint to the finish, he would keep it controlled with at most a mild pickup.
the430miler wrote:
i sick and tired of seeing craig mottram and alan webb slow down and celebrate at the end of a race.
im not sure what mottram is up to. when is he going to attempt a wolrd record?? and what event will it be it?? it will either be the 3k/2-mile or the 5000. still, seeing him slow down at the end of a race is runing his perception of what his time should be. obviously his celbration of arm pumps at the end of boston indoor was unncessary, but it was cool nonetheless. but if hews even going to attempt a wr in the 3k or 5k or w/e, he better get serious and start running THROUGH the finish line.
as far alan webb goes, the 1500/mile is an even speedier event; therefore every second or millisecond counts much more as opposed to what it would in a 5k or longer. he has NO excuse to be slowing down when he gets 15 meters from the tape. NONE WHATSOEVER. we all know his next goal is to break steve scotts american record and then attempt the world record. he is in the MOST IMPORTANT days of training. if he coulda pumped out a high 353 or low 354 at boston, that would have given him and his coach a better idea of where he is at right now in his training. but, like alan said in his flocast interview, he only wants to win races and set a pr (even though its january.) i guess he just doesnt care HOW big he wins or HOW big he pr's, as long as he bearly does both because it is still january.
him running through the tape next time and hitting a low 354 could possibly show no improvement because he didnt run through the tape at boston. as long as he STEADLY improves, i guess its fine. him and mottram gotta have fun at the end of the race anyways. you've worked so hard and now its time to pay/show off. i guess all runners have to do it sometimes, its just part of the sport.
i like to celebrate also, but i know if i set a huge pr, i wont even have enough left for a victory lap; much less a cooldown/celebration/ combination thereof.
I'm beginning to agree with the theory that 430 is a Brilliant Troll. He carefully writes these posts, then laughs his ass off with his friends as we all respond. Seriously. Is the joke on us? :)
Steve Ovett was the master of slowing down at the end of a race. Mottram and Webb still have to perfect that celebratory wave to the crowd (has to be about 81.2m from the finish for maximum effect) and until they can do this they are just pale imitations.
everyone says "track is boring to watch, nto a spectator sport" when guys like mottram pump up the crowd and gets everyone excited it becomes 10x mor efun for even an average non-runner to watch
If they really want to get the crowd spun into a tizzy, they should stay put at the start and let the field get a 50-75yd head start. Then take out after them, now that would be something to see.
midwesta wrote:
No, I think it'd be more like sprinting around the bases after hitting a home run. In both cases, the end result is clear. Mottramm knew he was going to win, plus he finished in a 55 (which isn't slow), and cruised to the line. I don't fault him for that.
So running a 55 while waving and fist-pumping is cooler than a businesslike 52? I would rather have seen (and be able to do) the latter.
i think running through the line is pretty important for a few reasons. as someone said earlier, it would allow you to get a more accurate idea of your fitness. would webb's training be different if he ran 3:54 last weekend? (not to say that he would have, i didn't see the race. but it's just an example) also, just knowing you gave it your all is important. then again, if i was doing it for a living then maybe i'd have a different opinion. but i don't. thus, i try to run as best i can, especially when i near the finish.
i think wariner eases up too much. sprinters tend to do it to show how "easy" they were running. but it's the short races in which running through the tape is most imporant. but, if you're going to ease up, you might as well get the crowd excited by showing them some love with some fist pumps. that is one of the things track and field lacks. it's not cocky, it's confident.
distance guy wrote:
midwesta wrote:No, I think it'd be more like sprinting around the bases after hitting a home run. In both cases, the end result is clear. Mottramm knew he was going to win, plus he finished in a 55 (which isn't slow), and cruised to the line. I don't fault him for that.
So running a 55 while waving and fist-pumping is cooler than a businesslike 52? I would rather have seen (and be able to do) the latter.
Yeah, I agree. As a fan, the fist-pumping does nothing for me. I'd much rather see a runner motoring through the finish line with 100% effort, regardless of the size of the lead.
littlemerb wrote:
everyone says "track is boring to watch, nto a spectator sport" when guys like mottram pump up the crowd and gets everyone excited it becomes 10x mor efun for even an average non-runner to watch
its only a non-spectator sport if youre a non-runner.
even though fist pumping is beneficial for mottram and webbs mentallity, it has ZERO effect on their physicallity. it would help their physicallity if they ran hard all the way through the line. this is a RACE. running your fastest now will only help webb's and mottram's systems and let them be faster in the races that are really important to them, for example the olympics.
they're not gonna be able to waste that sort of time in the olympic race, so they might as well practice going balls to the wall on the last lap NOW.
please stop using my name.
ive never been the type to boast and say "told you so"...
but I TOLD YOU SO.
if mottram would have ran through the finish line at boston, he would have had a better chance at outkicking lagat for the win. split second between 1st and 2nd place. yes, i know it would have been nearly impossible for mottram to pass on that final turn, but on the straightaway....anyways.
webb's situation is a different story. he went into lactic acid after 800meters and was done from there. better luck next time to both mottram and webb. after that interview, mottram is now my favorite white/non-african runner. tergat being my favorite overall.
Why don't you go out there and run WITH them?
430miler you are an idiot Mottram not finishing hard in a previous race had nothing to do with taking a loss to Legat today! Legat is the second fastest 1500M runner ever! Legat has won the 5 previous wannamaker miles! Once your PR is something that is faster than what a good 15 year old can run give advice to world class guys.
Do explain. Would the Boston race have been like a workout, and he would have worked on his closing speed when tired? I've got to agree that Skuj has you right, and you're a troll. Nobody is that fvcking stupid!
the430miler wrote:
if mottram would have ran through the finish line at boston, he would have had a better chance at outkicking lagat for the win. split second between 1st and 2nd place.
Didn't realize that it was a taken name, mea culpa, have a great weekend.
If you are a world class distance runner you probably don't want to win every race in all out sprint. These guys have to worry about injuries. If you get injured, that could be your whole season or career. Sometimes its just not worth it to burn yourself out to the max in every race. You save that for the really big races where it counts.