Wetmore makes me sick

I don't get it. The guy won 2 NCAA team championships less than 2 months ago and everybody rightfully praised him for the phenomonal coach he is. His men (who had no superstar like ritz or torres or goucher) beat an amazing Wisconsin team.

Yes, the guys on his team are really good, but what do you want him to do, recruit bad kids? The fact is that he has coached over 70 all-americans in 12 years and completely built Colorado into a powerhouse. And he has done it with American kids. What most of you are overlooking is that recruiting is a major component of good coaching, his big name recruits only add to his overall coaching ability.

Also, the guy was asked a question and he answered it. It is his right to have an opinion. I'm sorry that your life is so sheltered that someone's opinion about what athletes they coach makes you sick. You might not want to pick up the paper or watch television any time soon.

I like him even more now!

Nice try my thinks-he's-cunning little friend. Nope, those were GOOD runners who might have otherwise gone to school had the opportunity been afforded them. They earned the right to be there, if a slot hadn't already been taken. That's the point.

It's far different than reverse discrimination, which I do not support. You're talking about US citizens whose parents have paid taxes and perhaps made contributions and donated to causes versus non-citizens who have contributed absolutely nothing.

logician wrote:

And he has done it with American kids. What most of you are overlooking is that recruiting is a major component of good coaching, his big name recruits only add to his overall coaching ability.

Gotta love the sound of that. Any American distance runner who would say otherwise is full of shit.

Golden Buffalo wrote:

Nice try my thinks-he's-cunning little friend. Nope, those were GOOD runners who might have otherwise gone to school had the opportunity been afforded them. They earned the right to be there, if a slot hadn't already been taken. That's the point.

Right, they earned the right to be there despite the fact that better runners were the actual recipients. No, no delusion at all in there! Careful, this might sting a little: your pals weren't good enough. They and their parents may have been hard workers, working harder than anyone else anywhere else on the planet, and paid their taxes like good citizens and pledged their allegiance to the flag and thanked Gawd for the nightly pot roast. Funny thing about tax money, though, once you and your pals, the taxpayers, pay it to the government it's left up to other people to decide how to spend it in order to best achieve the goals of their jobs. What on earth do your contributions and donations have to do with taxes, anyway?

You know, it is people like you who got all up and arms and called West Texas State \"cheaters\" because they won the NCAA Championship in basketball with an all black starting 5. There was a time when \"good tax paying citizens\" wouldn\'t give any of their hard earned money to a team that had any non white athletes playing....ahhhh the good ol\' days, eh GB? You are a xenophobic, racist biggot clinging to protectionism to ensure that you get the best of everything. Go out and earn it! White, Black, Brown, North American, central American, South American, European, Asian, African, gay, straight, Mormon, Muslim, Catholic, Baptist....Who cares? The only label that matters in this case is student-athlete. Be the best you can be. Compete against the best. Beat them. Earn your place and stick your hands back in your pockets instead of begging for handouts! Just like the real world.

I think coaches SHOULD recruit more high class foreign talent.

This would improve USA distance running because it would raise the bar for NCAA competition, and get our elites used to racing the best africans before they finish college.

However, it would also make it harder to get track scholarships. In the long run, it would be worth it. Can you imagine how good Colorado would be if they recruited kenyans and such??

Where is James Strang?

Jingosim 'R Us! wrote:

Right, they earned the right to be there despite the fact that better runners were the actual recipients. No, no delusion at all in there! Careful, this might sting a little: your pals weren't good enough. They and their parents may have been hard workers, working harder than anyone else anywhere else on the planet, and paid their taxes like good citizens and pledged their allegiance to the flag and thanked Gawd for the nightly pot roast. Funny thing about tax money, though, once you and your pals, the taxpayers, pay it to the government it's left up to other people to decide how to spend it in order to best achieve the goals of their jobs. What on earth do your contributions and donations have to do with taxes, anyway?

Man, you're a dipshit. I used the example of reverse discrimination for a reason, which you conveniently omitted in your reply section. The better runners were FOREIGNERS, not other Americans. It makes a difference! If they were other Americans, then I wholeheartedly agree that these kids hadn't fully earned the right to a scholarship. As far as the tax question, I thought we had already established that, one, private donations are a form of paying taxes because they are eligible for a write-off, and, two, private contributions are not subject to the same rules that govern taxes in that they are specifically incentivized. You remove the particular incentive and I will stop giving to the cause. You sound like some 19-year old college kid who feels like that poly sci class he just completed makes him suddenly qualified to regurgitate his professor's liberal bullshit. How many of you there are out there.

You've got me all wrong big fella. I actually wholeheartedly agree with almost everything you said. If I'm hiring for a job, I don't care about the color of the person's skin, relgious affiliation, creed, gender, sexuality, etc. I care that I get the BEST person for the job. However, where it concerns a grant, it MUST be an American citizen, because it is a form of tax subsidization. Never cared if a winning basketball team was all black, and I don't care if Wetmore's entire team consists of black kids, as long as they are AMERICAN kids. What's so fukkin hard to understand about the concept. You see foreign universities pouring out scholarships for the best American kids?

What does it matter what the nationality of the other runners were, the fact remains that the coach didn't believe that your pals could help him. It's liberals with all their feel-good 'everyone's a winner' crapola that have convinced you that your pals were cheated by someone else. They weren't, they just sucked. Weaklings, underachievers. Which is what US running would be filled with if bleeding-heart jerkoffs like you had your way. No truly deserving runner will not get a scholarship if he wants it, period.

Golden Buffalo wrote:

You've got me all wrong big fella. I actually wholeheartedly agree with almost everything you said. If I'm hiring for a job, I don't care about the color of the person's skin, relgious affiliation, creed, gender, sexuality, etc. I care that I get the BEST person for the job. However, where it concerns a grant, it MUST be an American citizen, because it is a form of tax subsidization. Never cared if a winning basketball team was all black, and I don't care if Wetmore's entire team consists of black kids, as long as they are AMERICAN kids. What's so fukkin hard to understand about the concept. You see foreign universities pouring out scholarships for the best American kids?

Better contact your congressman, because the rules as they are written do not require the recipient to be an American citizen. Sorry the world doesn't run according to your standards of fairness.

Again, dipshit, I am far from a liberal. If ALL of this money came from private donations that had no tax implications whatsoever, whereby the donor could fully dictate policy, then I would agree with you. Again, how many top American runners are offered scholarship money to universities overseas? It's slim pickings, trust me.

Anyway, Mark Wetmore, if you are actually foolish enough to waste your time reading letsrun, I commend you for your efforts. Continue developing American talent with American dollars!

Southern Man wrote:

Better contact your congressman, because the rules as they are written do not require the recipient to be an American citizen. Sorry the world doesn't run according to your standards of fairness.

You should change your name to Master of the Obvious. Thanks for the enlightenment though. This is precisely why Wetmore stands out, because he resists the path taken by most others and attempts to cultivate American talent. And I will continue to contribute as long as he does, and if enough people felt the same way, then the "rules" wouldn't really matter would they?

logician wrote:

I don't get it. The guy won 2 NCAA team championships less than 2 months ago and everybody rightfully praised him for the phenomonal coach he is.

What I see here is not people questioning his coaching ability. He has it and should be praised for that. It's just annoying that the blue collar Wetmore has decided to be the WINE and cheese coach too! Wetmore needs to quit wining, it's getting old.

Golden Buffalo wrote:

Southern Man wrote:

Better contact your congressman, because the rules as they are written do not require the recipient to be an American citizen. Sorry the world doesn't run according to your standards of fairness.

You should change your name to Master of the Obvious. Thanks for the enlightenment though. This is precisely why Wetmore stands out, because he resists the path taken by most others and attempts to cultivate American talent. And I will continue to contribute as long as he does, and if enough people felt the same way, then the "rules" wouldn't really matter would they?

Well, you keep stating over and over again on here the way you think things should be, rather than the way they actually are. you seem to think that there is some sort of injustice in tax deductible donations going to support foreign runners.

I'm just pointing out that there is an remedy for your concern beyond whining on Letsrun.com

Golden Buffalo - I know you got your degree from CU, but try not to make it so obvious? Calling everyone who disagrees with you a "dipshit" just shows your ignorance.

I ran with three Kenyans, a German, and an Australian on my team. They made me a better runner than I ever would have been because of their talent. They also gave me cultural experiences and exposures I never would have gotten otherwise.

Wetmore can say what he wants about what he does with American runners, but talent is talent and a team is a team. Last time I checked running for CU means you're representing your school, not your country.

Southern Man wrote:

Well, you keep stating over and over again on here the way you think things should be, rather than the way they actually are. you seem to think that there is some sort of injustice in tax deductible donations going to support foreign runners.

I'm just pointing out that there is an remedy for your concern beyond whining on Letsrun.com

You're right, and I am one of the few who actually puts his money where his mouth is.

Golden Buffalo wrote:

Again, how many top American runners are offered scholarship money to universities overseas? It's slim pickings, trust me.

I'd say nice attempt to misdirect with a red herring, but it was really very poor.