the Lawrence course I was referring to was at a regional park....not timmons farm....I ran 10:56 at sme course one year and 10:21 at sm park for my best times IN high school...the other times were 'out of season meets' later, when I was in better shape....I must admit, lol....did you ever run those winter road races at Loose Park off the Plaza, that was a long, loop on the sidewalk around the park? I remember some snowy, cold races there between X-C and track, some relays, too...of course, the only guys who ran well were the sms guys, who schmidt had running between seasons, ALOT more than the rest of us, except for Lenis Boswell and Hank Brame from Wyndotte and Washington high..lol...back in the '70 to '73 years...