Pose = crazy???

Yes, you are right, it is not a jumbled mess of crap, my apologies. It is A LOT of information and its hard to find a place to begin but I have been looking over it for the past hour or so and have found some very useful information. Sorry about the "mess of crap" comment, did not mean any offense.

jhuffman surfaces!!!!

It's near the end of the month, time to sell something and meet those quotas!

beyond wrote:

Asterix that was hilarious. You'll be getting my check soon.

Unlike POSE which simply claims that world class athletes run POSE without knowing it, my FAST system gets specific endorsement from no less an authority than Michael Johnson.

Unlike POSE, people who run FAST win races and Olympic medals. Just read:

""We feel that strength is synonymous with speed-if youre strong, then you can run FAST.""

"Michael Johnson has to run FAST to win."

Note how Deanna Kastor doesn't say she'll run POSE, but freely admits she plans to run FAST:

"I always aimed to run FAST here anyway."

And contrary to POSE claims, Geb is a big believer in running FAST from the very beginning:

"I believe if you can run FAST from the beginning you can keep it going to the end."

Cheques and money orders now being accepted for the FAST running system.

Disclaimer: I can't guarantee you won't get injured running FAST, but if you want to succeed, it's the only way.

Pose is a laughable running "technique." The main thing that people should know about Pose is that it tightens your muscles instead of loosens them.

I'm a sub 15 minute 5k guy and a few years back I switched to the "pose" method of running. I hadn't had many injuries before but like most runners I was looking for something to give me that extra "edge". I'm an over pronater so I figured this would straighten me out a bit by strengthing my legs. After a few months of cramping and pain my hip started to hurt to the point where I couldn't run on it anymore. I went to a few doctors who diagnosed it a bursitis and went through the proper rehab. Everytime I started to run again I would develop bursitis.

Finally I went to a biomechanics expert who video taped me running barefoot and in racing flats. When we watched the tape you could see excessive medical rotation in the leg from the pronating thus putting pressure on my hip. He suggested going back to supportive shoes to keep my leg in a neutral position and once I did the hip pain went away. He video taped me in my new supportive shoes and the leg stayed neutral.

The intersting part is when I ran fast in supportive shoes it showed and over correction which also caused hip pain. From this information I started running in racing flats on my faster days and supportive shoes on my slower days. I have now been healthy for three years running 80-100 miles a week. The one thing I did get out of the pose method of training is the awareness of running on mid to forefront of the foot, but I think most fast runners do this anyway. Hope this helps.

Ooops, meant to say medial rotation.

People confuse me. Put one foot in front of the other. It's not that difficult. Pose is yet another way of messing with some natural (as are shoes with enough cushioning and stability to handle a tank). Your feet are designed to absorb and distribute impact forces. Use them correctly and you'll be fine.

Alan

spokompton wrote:

Puff your chest up and out, lean slightly forward, raise your hands to your heart, and land on your forefoot underneath your center of gravity.

Oops. Now I'm confused. I used to be in motion control shoes (Mizuno Legend). Then I decided to work on my form and got into Free 5.0s and started on a treadmill so I wouldn't be stomping on hard asphalt. It worked out great, and my running has never been better. I just make sure to stretch my calves and feet a lot.

But I thought you're supposed to land midfoot, which is what I trained myself to do.

Is it forefoot or midfoot?

Bostonbilly wrote:

I know there are alot of critics out there, but I am sure that none of them really understand Pose. However, if I was to tell you that improving your biomechanics would increase your running performance by 2%, you might be interested in learning more. For a 3hr marathoner, that is almost 4mins of improvement. For an 18min 5k, that is almost 22 secs. Something to think about.

Bostonbilly, but running performance does not increase by 2% does it? In fact, that study that you participated in showed that running economy DECREASED by around 8% didn't it? And an increase in the vertical oscillation during the running gait of 22%. So where does this 2% improvement come from?

To take this further, lets look at the other published study of the POSE technique, done by Romanov and Tim Noakes. Unlike the performance study you participated in, this paper (Med Sci Sports Exerc. 2004 Feb;36(2):272-7) actually produces positive results for POSE, showing reduced impact forces etc. compared to heel/toe or midfoot landing. My question for the POSE supporters comes from the measures of PROPULSIVE forces determined by force plate. Compared to heel/toe or midfoot running, POSE running produced only a 17% reduction in horizontal propulsion and and a non-significant 11% decrease in vertical propulsive force.

Now if POSE running is really what it claims to be, why weren't horizontal and vertical propulsive forces reduced more? In fact, why weren't they equal to ZERO, since all the forward motion comes from gravitational forces?

JHuffman or anyone else care to address this issue?

JY wrote:

JHuffman or anyone else care to address this issue?

I think Huffman is drafting a post for this thread:

Something about physics 101 being impossible for him to understand.

I tried to slowly, and I do mean slowly, incorporate some of the POSE techniques. Now I have a bad case of PF that has lingered for 13 months. Don't know if that caused it, but it all happened at the same time. I sold my books and tapes on Ebay. I was the worst written book I have ever read. I agree with the minimalist theory completely, but the book was painful to read.

Didn't one of the big hanchos on the POSE forum get a stress fracture?

Have you seen the video of Romanov running in the Vibram fivefingers??? He runs like a duck!!! That can't be good form!

http://www.posetech.com/video/index.php/weblog/vibram_fivefingers_review/

Check out his left foot.

sevenbravo wrote:

Have you seen the video of Romanov running in the Vibram fivefingers??? He runs like a duck!!! That can't be good form!

http://www.posetech.com/video/index.php/weblog/vibram_fivefingers_review/

Check out his left foot.

Holy crap! Is THAT the POSE technique? While the video was buffering, it froze on him in mid-stride and his left foot was 45 degrees to his body!

I've watch many of those videos out of interest ... Dr. Romanov should not be demonstrating the form himself. I'm sure pose has done alot for his form ... but he just seems to have naturally bad form.

Also, I have a pair of those five finger shoes. They fit great if you leave the cord on the back fully loosened; but tie something around the middle of your arch around them to keep them snug. A tensor bandage would be ideal.

Asterix...this is the funniest post I have read! CLASSIC!!

IS there something in watching how young kids run...naturally...and fast as well?

How did you run as a kid?

I'm trying to recall how I did.....without all the critiquing too.

Least it was 100% healthy running.

Pooin'

On

Some

Elephants

I HATED running when I was a kid. I remember in my elementary school P.E. class we always had to jog around a field and I always whined to the teacher about my stomach cramping.

Then how did U ever get into running now??

You had to ask... When I got to high school, I really wanted to play soccer even though I was in terrible shape. We had to run at practice and I was the slowest in the class. By the way, our high school soccer team was not that good at all. I think I ran ONE mile in about 11-12 minutes...that's how slow I was. Obviously, I didn't make the team. You would think that there would have been a list posted of who did or didn't make it, but instead I was singled out. One day after practice, the two coaches asked me to see them in their office. Basically they both took turns putting me down (reminding me how bad of a soccer player I was, how slow/out of shape I was, etc.) as I sat there and cried. They told me to switch to the P.E. class instead (we had to have an athletics/P.E. credit). I knew P.E. was social suicide and I was on the verge of social "death" as it was especially since my self-esteem had been completely diminished. Long story short, I stayed in the soccer class as a manager for those a--holes and started running in my free time, eventually joining my sister on the cross country team my sophomore year and the rest is history. I don't know if I enjoyed running at first...I think it was just an obsessive compulsive type behavior since I was so angry with myself. Now I love running quite a lot and am so glad I never made that stupid soccer team.