SteepleLog wrote:
We got about two hours into steeple drills when someone realized there was a big pile of human feces in the filled pit. So gross.
Doing 2 hours of steeple barrier work is a gross misuse of time
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When was the last time a DL meet was held on a track that has an outside water pit? Modern tracks follow the same standard track layout. Even if there are still some older Frankenstein tracks. No one is using Franklin Field as a template for a new track.
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high school xc coach wrote:
malmo wrote:
One or two outside waterjumps?? Really? You're a novice.
Obviously as a former National champion, American record holder and top ten world-ranked steeplechaser I've been to stadiums all over the world.
There is no standard layout. All tracks vary. Inside layouts tend to be closer in lap distance. Outside layouts vary more between tracks.
With all due respect, a lot has changed since your days on the circuit.
This hasn't changed at all. If it had changed you wouldn't be the one to know it.
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Time moves on wrote:
When was the last time a DL meet was held on a track that has an outside water pit? Modern tracks follow the same standard track layout. Even if there are still some older Frankenstein tracks. No one is using Franklin Field as a template for a new track.
Franklin Field has NEVER been used as a template.
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high school xc coach wrote:
malmo wrote:
Which stadium was this?
it's an area middle school.
A middle school put in a steeplechase waterjump? That's child abuse! Why would they do something so reckless? Which middle school is it? Google Earth works everywhere.
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malmo wrote:
overconfident ai approximation wrote:
(3000m - 230m) / 7 = 395.71m
Measure the distance from the steeple start to the 200m start and use arithmetic to get the lap distance.
Wrong again. All tracks aren't the same. There is no standard 30m difference (395.7m per lap) between the steeple start (200m) and each subsequent steeple lap. For simplicity's sake use 35m, so that 35/7 = 5m per lap difference. Or do the same for an outside waterjump.
I'm right lol. "Measure the distance" and don't assume. It was figured out pretty quickly in this 2016 thread:
Despite variations within contemporary tracks, there is specific guidance from WA. The above thread contains the IAAF specification of 396.084 per lap. Current guidance is given here:
Under "Manuals and Guidelines" find the document titled "Track and Field Facilities Manual 2019 Edition - Chapters 1-3." It contains, for example, the following information regarding the steeplechase track:
"The theoretical running line for the steeplechase track is 3.916m shorter in the segment containing the water jump than along the adjacent Standard Track (Figure 2.2.4.1a), for example, the length of the steeplechase lap with the water jump inside the segment is 396.085m."
"The theoretical running line for the steeplechase track outside the segment is
19.406m longer than along the adjacent Standard Track (Figure 2.2.4.1b), giving a
steeplechase lap with the water jump outside the segment of 419.407m.""Number of steeplechase laps (396.0848m each) per steeplechase race:
For 3000m: 7 laps with a total length of running of 2772.5936m and prior to the start of the first full lap an additional stretch without hurdles of 227.4064m
For 2000m: 5 laps with a total length of running of 1980.4240m and prior to the start of the first full lap an additional stretch without hurdles of 19.5760m"40 -
malmo wrote:
high school xc coach wrote:
it's an area middle school.
A middle school put in a steeplechase waterjump? That's child abuse! Why would they do something so reckless? Which middle school is it? Google Earth works everywhere.
Middle schools often inherit old high school tracks.
I doubt the track in question was ever used for a steeplechase competition. Probably swapped the location of the start line at some point.
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overconfident ai approximation wrote:
malmo wrote:
Wrong again. All tracks aren't the same. There is no standard 30m difference (395.7m per lap) between the steeple start (200m) and each subsequent steeple lap. For simplicity's sake use 35m, so that 35/7 = 5m per lap difference. Or do the same for an outside waterjump.
I'm right lol. "Measure the distance" and don't assume. It was figured out pretty quickly in this 2016 thread:
Despite variations within contemporary tracks, there is specific guidance from WA. The above thread contains the IAAF specification of 396.084 per lap. Current guidance is given here:
Under "Manuals and Guidelines" find the document titled "Track and Field Facilities Manual 2019 Edition - Chapters 1-3." It contains, for example, the following information regarding the steeplechase track:
"The theoretical running line for the steeplechase track is 3.916m shorter in the segment containing the water jump than along the adjacent Standard Track (Figure 2.2.4.1a), for example, the length of the steeplechase lap with the water jump inside the segment is 396.085m."
"The theoretical running line for the steeplechase track outside the segment is
19.406m longer than along the adjacent Standard Track (Figure 2.2.4.1b), giving a
steeplechase lap with the water jump outside the segment of 419.407m.""Number of steeplechase laps (396.0848m each) per steeplechase race:
For 3000m: 7 laps with a total length of running of 2772.5936m and prior to the start of the first full lap an additional stretch without hurdles of 227.4064m
For 2000m: 5 laps with a total length of running of 1980.4240m and prior to the start of the first full lap an additional stretch without hurdles of 19.5760m"Thank you kind sir. I see that the 2019 edition codifies WA track construction, in 2.2.4.1, but only gives a preference for inside water jumps over outside jumps when there are 9 lanes, because of the potential for that uncomfortable start to 1st barrier crowding.
Here's an example of what the outside waterjump brings you at the start:43 -
back in the day wrote:
USATF Outdoor Nationaks had a 2000m steeple with no water barrier for the women in 2004/2005 range. I think it was held in Knoxville that year.
That was early days for the women's steeple and the IAAF/WA hadn't yet imposed a standard, so orgs were sort of experimenting. One format was 2000m instead of 3000m but with the same barriers as the men, but that was eventually discarded obviously.
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malmo wrote:
high school xc coach wrote:
it's an area middle school.
A middle school put in a steeplechase waterjump? That's child abuse! Why would they do something so reckless? Which middle school is it? Google Earth works everywhere.
It hasn't found MH370.
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If you go around the you must have a hurdle not flat track. Now some tracks have the water jumps OUTSIDE the track....
Why the concern with getting your shoes wet.
Too much time not enough sense and too little knowledge about track.
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overconfident ai approximation wrote:
malmo wrote:
Wrong again. All tracks aren't the same. There is no standard 30m difference (395.7m per lap) between the steeple start (200m) and each subsequent steeple lap. For simplicity's sake use 35m, so that 35/7 = 5m per lap difference. Or do the same for an outside waterjump.
I'm right lol. "Measure the distance" and don't assume. It was figured out pretty quickly in this 2016 thread:
Despite variations within contemporary tracks, there is specific guidance from WA. The above thread contains the IAAF specification of 396.084 per lap. Current guidance is given here:
Under "Manuals and Guidelines" find the document titled "Track and Field Facilities Manual 2019 Edition - Chapters 1-3." It contains, for example, the following information regarding the steeplechase track:
"The theoretical running line for the steeplechase track is 3.916m shorter in the segment containing the water jump than along the adjacent Standard Track (Figure 2.2.4.1a), for example, the length of the steeplechase lap with the water jump inside the segment is 396.085m."
"The theoretical running line for the steeplechase track outside the segment is
19.406m longer than along the adjacent Standard Track (Figure 2.2.4.1b), giving a
steeplechase lap with the water jump outside the segment of 419.407m.""Number of steeplechase laps (396.0848m each) per steeplechase race:
For 3000m: 7 laps with a total length of running of 2772.5936m and prior to the start of the first full lap an additional stretch without hurdles of 227.4064m
For 2000m: 5 laps with a total length of running of 1980.4240m and prior to the start of the first full lap an additional stretch without hurdles of 19.5760m"Thanks, overconfident, for providing correct information in the face of ignorant opposition. Very useful!
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