seems all runners benefited by around 3minutes from there usual level today. also, with it being wind-assisted the whole way and a downhill course you would not get the same fatigue in the later stages. a historic race but completely unrelatable to any other race where you face proper conditions.
its a shame England only has 1 decent marathon. the likes of Holland, Germany, Spain etc have multiple decent high profile race on fast courses with huge multi-national fields, but we are stuck with Brighton and Manchester. Poor atmosphere on the course (Manchester is completely dead for most of the route), no TV coverage, laughable prize money and mediocre fields.
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i notice Boston dish out large prize money for the top american finishers so can see why most of there top runners do it even though they have no hope of contesting for the win
what does the London marathon offer British runners? Ive never seen any British only money advertised and would assume all the appearance fee budget is handed out to the many random Africans who show up - would they even give an appearance fee to any Brits when they have little/no prospect of featuring high up?
the womens race at London is one of the least attractive races in sport. hoard of random unknown Africans going for a world record then a few token Brits trailing 2 miles behind. why would any British lady consider doing London when its highly likely you will be in a small group for part of the race then completely alone? does an appearance fee or Brit only prize money exist to make it worth bothering?
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Looks like Purdue is no longer on the London startlist. Will she ever not DNS or DNF a marathon? How is she still sponsored?
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UKA brown noser wrote:
i notice Boston dish out large prize money for the top american finishers so can see why most of there top runners do it even though they have no hope of contesting for the win
what does the London marathon offer British runners? Ive never seen any British only money advertised and would assume all the appearance fee budget is handed out to the many random Africans who show up - would they even give an appearance fee to any Brits when they have little/no prospect of featuring high up?
the womens race at London is one of the least attractive races in sport. hoard of random unknown Africans going for a world record then a few token Brits trailing 2 miles behind. why would any British lady consider doing London when its highly likely you will be in a small group for part of the race then completely alone? does an appearance fee or Brit only prize money exist to make it worth bothering?
Yes, some Brits get appearance fees but it's nowhere near the level Americans get from Boston. London also pays time bonuses quite deep, so place money isn't huge, but everyone who runs under (e.g. 2:04) gets a good bonus. That will apply to Brits as well, if they can get down to decent-ish times.
You're right about the women's race. They need to put more money into making it deeper down to something like 2:28 if they want an interesting race. I remember Purdue running 2:23 once and she was one her own for three quarters of the race. They could throw money at Europeans to fill out that pack between 2:20 and 2:25
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Its the same for Marc Scott too, also a scratch. Joins a marathon team in NN and has ran one 2:11 in 4 years
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WillbeInteresting wrote:
Manthorpe's debut should be interesting
In favour
>Years of high mileage and threshold training
>Tends to get better as the distance increases, fantastic recent 10k and HM results which, on paper, are indicative of him being capable of running about 2:08.
Against
>From looking at his Strava there seems to be a complete lack of continuous long runs, on the road, at or indeed anywhere near the pace required to run 2:08 ish - contrast his training to what Sesemann or Cross are doing etc.
Could this result in the lack of durability needed to go the distance? The 30km point of the marathon tends to be a graveyard of runners who can run an amazing half but haven't trained optimally for the full distance. But what the hell to I know, there's more than one way to skin a cat.
Hope he does well in any case, one of the good guys.
Looks like I pretty much called this, big drop off in the last 12k. Impressive debut all the same, he'll be a good marathoner.
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I hope British marathon runners aren't receiving any government funding. There is almost a 10 minute gap between them and the winners.
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Lots of people, including those right at the front end, saying London was extremely busy and overwhelmingly loud.
On one hand; if you train mostly alone on quiet trails it's a huge shock... But then it is the biggest running event in the world.
I was spectating and it was crazy too.
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manchestermarathon wrote:
Brits on the ground wrote:
Indeed.
Maybe if they moved it to Autumn it would attract better fields!
Marc Scott and Jake B out of London so far - anyone else?
It baffles me that they don't move to Autumn. There are only two quick marathons in this country - other big ones like Leeds (hilly), Brighton (windy) don't count - and so you'd surely think splitting them would make sense. I know they have Manchester half in Autumn so maybe they want to keep the two events separate (and make more cash in the process), and they don't struggle to sell out even with it clashing with London, but man, would be cool for a proper elite field to run Manchester as well. It's not the quickest course but it gets great support.
Manchester Marathon and Manchester Half are both organised by ASO - so should be easy enough for them to switch if they wanted to. Plus there is the Great Manchester Run in May.
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manchestermarathon wrote:
Just turned on the Manchester stream - front two are Charlie Brisley and a French fella called Lidovec? Brisley looks incredibly smooth
I watched Manchester.
Im not one to point the doping finger often, but didnt that French guy Yohan Lidove who beat charlie Brisley seem sus?
1:09/2:19 guy (219:38 last valencia)
Then runs 2:15 a few months later?
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Not a pro but I did want to make a post commending Dan Nash, he his ability to consistently run really good times is impressive. Even when he doesn't have the best of days he'll still more likely than not run a negative split and get under 2:15.
Good thread with how he manages his pacing here:
And on top of that he is producing one of the most informative training podcast's for free.
Hopefully he get's under 2:10 in the future, only 53s to shave off.
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WillbeInteresting wrote:
Not a pro but I did want to make a post commending Dan Nash, he his ability to consistently run really good times is impressive. Even when he doesn't have the best of days he'll still more likely than not run a negative split and get under 2:15.
Good thread with how he manages his pacing here:
And on top of that he is producing one of the most informative training podcast's for free.
Hopefully he get's under 2:10 in the future, only 53s to shave off.
Running 2:18 at Belfast is very impressive as an aside
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Any idea what happened Phil Sesemann, can’t say I follow him very closely but expected a bit more.
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Said on IG/Strava he was pretty disappointed, clearly wasn't in the shape he thought he was (i.e. 2.06 shape).
Possibly peaked a bit too early? He raced Bath Half, then Berlin Half all out, with a proper taper, not long before London.
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WillbeInteresting wrote:
Not a pro but I did want to make a post commending Dan Nash, he his ability to consistently run really good times is impressive. Even when he doesn't have the best of days he'll still more likely than not run a negative split and get under 2:15.
Good thread with how he manages his pacing here:
And on top of that he is producing one of the most informative training podcast's for free.
Hopefully he get's under 2:10 in the future, only 53s to shave off.
no chance, hes got zero leg speed.
bit suspicious if you ask me how an average lad (as per those races listed) who has been running 100 miles per week his whole life has suddenly made huge improvements to run 2:11
perhaps hes just caught a perfect fluke performance but theres nothing to suggest hes a regular sub 2:14 performer, solid runner but this is his level of expected performance
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What's the current status on athletes qualifying for Europeans and Commonwealths, especially in the 5000 / 10,000? The 'trial' for European 10,000m is this weekend in Loughborough but is anyone actually doing this?
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UKrunner202 wrote:
What's the current status on athletes qualifying for Europeans and Commonwealths, especially in the 5000 / 10,000? The 'trial' for European 10,000m is this weekend in Loughborough but is anyone actually doing this?
first finisher in the 10km trial gets an auto Q for euros and i believe Joe Wigfield is doing it. the rest will be holding out for a spot through there performances on the road but should rightfully be offered to Beattie and Malarky who ran 27:25~ on the track
not sure on commonwealths - bit of a micky mouse event with random team sizes. would assume Butchard would get a spot for Scotland but this is very much a consolation prize
5000m for the euros will be through the UK trials in late June - hopefully first 3 past the post with a qualifying mark which will likely be Mills, then Beattie although dont think anyone else is near the time. would be good if Kerr had a pop at it
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As well as Joe Wigfield, Emile Cairess and Hugo Milner are now confirmed for the 10,000m in Loughborough. Should be a decent race. Now looks risky for the likes of Beattie and Mullarkey if they are skipping it
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Phoebe Gill back racing for first time in forever at BMC Trafford. Gun to tape personal best in the 1500m 4:05.5. Great to see her back.
Post race interview was interesting. Seemed very happy to be back. her main priority this season is u20 world champs she said.
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UKA brown noser wrote:
WillbeInteresting wrote:
Not a pro but I did want to make a post commending Dan Nash, he his ability to consistently run really good times is impressive. Even when he doesn't have the best of days he'll still more likely than not run a negative split and get under 2:15.
Good thread with how he manages his pacing here:
And on top of that he is producing one of the most informative training podcast's for free.
Hopefully he get's under 2:10 in the future, only 53s to shave off.
no chance, hes got zero leg speed.
bit suspicious if you ask me how an average lad (as per those races listed) who has been running 100 miles per week his whole life has suddenly made huge improvements to run 2:11
perhaps hes just caught a perfect fluke performance but theres nothing to suggest hes a regular sub 2:14 performer, solid runner but this is his level of expected performance
That thread is like 4 years old look at his P10
https://www.powerof10.uk/Home/Athlete/8a045e6a-760e-4a87-a44e-77d46fdccac7
To the contrary, he hasn’t really made one big jump, he’s just slowly chipped away at his time.
14:05 for 5k isn’t exactly indicative of average talent, though he does convert up to the marathon remarkably well.
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