Hope it's being looked into. First seven all run big PBs
Happens all the time in our Nationals. thats what they peak for. Gout looks great and will be 19.4 by Beijing 2027
Sprinters can't often be chopping half a second off their PB. If they did they'd be down to 8.something 100m and/or 18.something 200m by the time they hit their mid twenties.
Im as big a fan of GG and aussie running as anyone but the amount of ridiculous PBs in that race tells me the wind was gusting in such a way that - with the exception of GG - none of those who ran PBs today will ever get close to those times again. Still was fun to watch, especially hearing Bruce Mcavaney jizz all over his mic after seeing the times.
Mcavaney is not the only one jizzing over the time.
Check out this hype. Calling him Gout GOAT.
Gout in his 19.67 split one of the fastest legal closes in history…
10.44 + 9.23 = 19.67 is where I’m at… was 4.50 100-150 and 4.73 150-200!
From memory only Blake (19.26 - 9.09) and MJ (19.32 - 9.18) have closed faster legally, though I could be wrong… @NLS_TF
Sprinters can't often be chopping half a second off their PB. If they did they'd be down to 8.something 100m and/or 18.something 200m by the time they hit their mid twenties.
Amen. Murphy's fastest 100 is 10.23. No way no how can someone whose best 100 is 10.23 run a 200 in 19.88.
Sprinters can't often be chopping half a second off their PB. If they did they'd be down to 8.something 100m and/or 18.something 200m by the time they hit their mid twenties.
Amen. Murphy's fastest 100 is 10.23. No way no how can someone whose best 100 is 10.23 run a 200 in 19.88.
Well, Jareem Richards has a best of 19.80 and his best 100m is only 10.16 (he does run 43.72 however).
That's pretty suspicious it seems to me. Most likely reason -- wind higher than the reading
we'll just have to wait and see
There's nothing to wait on, it's run and done.
It's all legit - the wind reader doesn't measure the wind on the bend. You get the diagonal tailwind, and the tailwind on the bend is not measured and free.
Sprinters can't often be chopping half a second off their PB. If they did they'd be down to 8.something 100m and/or 18.something 200m by the time they hit their mid twenties.
Amen. Murphy's fastest 100 is 10.23. No way no how can someone whose best 100 is 10.23 run a 200 in 19.88.
Murphy's a 200-400 guy. He doesn't train for the 100.
So yes a 200-400 guy can have an unusually good 100-200 conversion, because their 100 is not that good.
The other point is this - in peak shape Murphy is running a 200 or a 400. He doesn't run 100s when in peak shape, so he could run a faster 100 if he prepared and peaked for it. Just like Rudisha - could have run an amazing 400 if he ran that in 2012 instead of the 800.
The race just had a bunch of guys in PB shape, and good conditions. It's not that unusual. Gout ran 10.00 in just good conditions a couple of months ago, taking 0.17 off his legal 100 PB. He ran 19.80 at nationals last year as a 17yo with 10.17 ability, so knocking 0.2 off that with marginally less tailwind on the bend is not a stretch at all.
Amen. Murphy's fastest 100 is 10.23. No way no how can someone whose best 100 is 10.23 run a 200 in 19.88.
Murphy's a 200-400 guy. He doesn't train for the 100.
So yes a 200-400 guy can have an unusually good 100-200 conversion, because their 100 is not that good.
The other point is this - in peak shape Murphy is running a 200 or a 400. He doesn't run 100s when in peak shape, so he could run a faster 100 if he prepared and peaked for it. Just like Rudisha - could have run an amazing 400 if he ran that in 2012 instead of the 800.
The race just had a bunch of guys in PB shape, and good conditions. It's not that unusual. Gout ran 10.00 in just good conditions a couple of months ago, taking 0.17 off his legal 100 PB. He ran 19.80 at nationals last year as a 17yo with 10.17 ability, so knocking 0.2 off that with marginally less tailwind on the bend is not a stretch at all.
Gout never had a legal time under 20 before this.
10.23. 44.81. 19.88. One of these is not like the others!
Christopher Ius is a 100 200 guy. Two weeks ago he ran 20.83. He ran 10.36 at these championships. Twice. A day after maxing out at 10.36 he can run 20.26? No way no how.
I'm skeptical too. This reminds me of the Japanese sprinter Yoshihide Kiryu who ran great times as a junior in Japan, but couldn't ever get close to them in an international meet.
On another note , good starter Ius to the right of GG was fastest out, so the slow starting GG had a rabbit, plus Murphy already pulled just about level two to the left of him as they straightened up
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Murphy's a 200-400 guy. He doesn't train for the 100.
So yes a 200-400 guy can have an unusually good 100-200 conversion, because their 100 is not that good.
The other point is this - in peak shape Murphy is running a 200 or a 400. He doesn't run 100s when in peak shape, so he could run a faster 100 if he prepared and peaked for it. Just like Rudisha - could have run an amazing 400 if he ran that in 2012 instead of the 800.
The race just had a bunch of guys in PB shape, and good conditions. It's not that unusual. Gout ran 10.00 in just good conditions a couple of months ago, taking 0.17 off his legal 100 PB. He ran 19.80 at nationals last year as a 17yo with 10.17 ability, so knocking 0.2 off that with marginally less tailwind on the bend is not a stretch at all.
Gout never had a legal time under 20 before this.
10.23. 44.81. 19.88. One of these is not like the others!
Christopher Ius is a 100 200 guy. Two weeks ago he ran 20.83. He ran 10.36 at these championships. Twice. A day after maxing out at 10.36 he can run 20.26? No way no how.
Chris Ius ran 10.18 PB this season, and 20.55 PB and was in good shape. Yes for a 100-200 guy a conversion under 2 x is very good. Clearly he had better conditions for the 200 - and he is tough and held on almost as well as Calab Law.
It's not that hard to work out - they had a good tailwind around the bend which is not measured. Though that is surprising, because the wind was mainly from the West or NW yesterday, not the NE.
Happens all the time in our Nationals. thats what they peak for. Gout looks great and will be 19.4 by Beijing 2027
Can you point to another recent Aussie Nationals when the top 5 in the 200 all had a PR by .20 or more? I don't think you can!
There is something "odd" with this race - just don't know exactly what it is.
So 7 of the 9 guys ran PR's - one DNF and Ayoade who finished 8th is primarily a 100m guy.
But the first 7 all running PR's is weird. I get it - national final, "good" wind - but even so you'd expect at least more than one guy to not PR. And some of them as you mentioned as massive.
GG - 0.35
Murphy - 0.53
Law - 0.21
Ius - 0.29
McHugh - 0.48
Easton - 0.14 (boo)
Milverton 0.06 (double boo)
Aiden Murphy in second is really eye-opening. He's primarily a 400m guy and he ran 20.43 into a -1.3 earlier this year. But 19.88? Maurice Greenes PR was 19.86 with a +1.6, Van Niekirk 19.84 +1.2. No disrespect to Murphy but that just seems really quick.
The wind for the womens race just before it wasn't legal - but it was only +2.3 so having a +1.7 in the mens race isn't crazy (not like the 1988 womens QF1 where the wind gauge on the triple jump adjacent to the 100m straight showed +4.3 at the time of the race even though the official wind for Flo-Jo's 10.49 was given as 0.0)
Maybe it was just a once in a lifetime swirling wind that picked these guys up as a tail coming around the bend and continued with them around into the straight? It will be interesting to follow Gout and Murphy now (as guys way under 20.0) and see what happens in Europe/Asia in the next 2-3 months.