As long as you truly know that we were being sarcastic…
I agree with everything else you said. Don’t fix what ain’t broken. Stay the course.
Oh, and as other posters have pointed out, his 46.3 last year was well before he dropped his 800 PR, so he was probably closer to that 45.3 relay split even last August. That he might be capable of dipping under 45 should shock absolutely no one.
That he might be capable of "dipping under 45" means a 1.5 sec improvement on his 400 pr. So that translates to a 3 sec improvement on his 800 pr - which would be 1:39x.
I actually don’t think you’re very intelligent. He ran his 400 PR as a double back from a fast 800, some THREE months before he ran his 1:42. His 800 PR at the time of his 400 PR was just a hair under 1:46. So he has ALREADY improved his 800 PR by over three seconds from the time he last ran a 400. Jesus.
Since you take being differed with as proof of lying I'll have to apply the same measure to you. You must therefore be a liar.
His last 400 was on the 3rd of May 2025 - which was told you numerous times, Liestrong.
1.5 seconds improvement over 400m doesn't correspond to 3 seconds improvement over 800m but to 3.5 seconds, Numberblindstrong.
But this is completely irrelevant, since his 800m PB obviously is much closer to his limit than his 400m PB.
So you now say a 1.5 sec improvement over 400 is actually equivalent to 3.5 secs over 800. Better and better. He will be running 1:38.7 over the 800 when he runs 44.8 for the 400.
That he hasn't improved since 2025 doesn't mean he must be better over the distance. An example was given of his running a recent relay leg, which equates to 46.1 FAT. He is improving at about the same rate as Quincy Wilson has in the same period and from the same age.
There is nothing to support your claim that his 800 pr is closer to his limit than his 400 pr is. That is a mere assertion. So he wasn't "trying" when he ran 46.3 or his more recent relay leg?
Rudisha's pr over the 800 was 1:40.91. Still a lot faster than Lutkenhaus. His best 400 was 45.4. So what has Lutkenhaus done to show he is as fast as if not faster than Rudisha over 400?
Speaking of jealous people….He’s back! The correlation you draw between between an automatic match in improvement between an improvement in 400m speed to 800m speed is ridiculous. So many other factors are involved.
Why so you absolutely refuae to acknowledge that Cooper’s 400m PR came after he run a 1:47 800m, and that just might have taken a bit out of him for the one lapper?
Why wouldn't a 1.5 sec improvement over one lap mean a 3 sec improvement over 2 laps for an 800 runner?
He has run the 400 numerous times and so had opportunities to reduce his pr from 46.3. He hasn't.
My dude, please. Why do you keep ignoring this: When Cooper ran 46.3 his 800m pr was 1:46. He did not race the 400 since that day. He improved his 800 to 1:42 three months later. So the three second 800 drop that you keep talking about already occurred. And it was 4 seconds actually. So why do you think he couldn't drop his 400 1.5 seconds when he dropped his 800 4 seconds?
That he might be capable of "dipping under 45" means a 1.5 sec improvement on his 400 pr. So that translates to a 3 sec improvement on his 800 pr - which would be 1:39x.
I actually don’t think you’re very intelligent. He ran his 400 PR as a double back from a fast 800, some THREE months before he ran his 1:42. His 800 PR at the time of his 400 PR was just a hair under 1:46. So he has ALREADY improved his 800 PR by over three seconds from the time he last ran a 400. Jesus.
An improvement over a longer distance doesn't automatically mean he will be commensurately faster over half the distance. It doesn't work like that. Athletes are better at some distances than others.
Why wouldn't a 1.5 sec improvement over one lap mean a 3 sec improvement over 2 laps for an 800 runner?
He has run the 400 numerous times and so had opportunities to reduce his pr from 46.3. He hasn't.
My dude, please. Why do you keep ignoring this: When Cooper ran 46.3 his 800m pr was 1:46. He did not race the 400 since that day. He improved his 800 to 1:42 three months later. So the three second 800 drop that you keep talking about already occurred. And it was 4 seconds actually. So why do you think he couldn't drop his 400 1.5 seconds when he dropped his 800 4 seconds?
You cannot claim that a 3 second drop in his 800 time means he was therefore effectively 1.5 sec faster over the shorter distance. They are completely different events. A big improvement in the longer event (twice the distance) does not require or suggest an improvement in the shorter event. He could improve significantly over the 800 while not being any faster over the 400 or the 200 - which are sprint events, not md. Athletes, such as he is, are better at some events than others. You could use your argument to suggest he is significantly faster over every distance event up to the marathon. Maybe he isn't just the new Rudisha but the new Bekele?
You’re the one who was remarking that a 1.5 second drop in Cooper’s 400m time would surely mean 1:39 at 800. This thread is turning into full blown nonsense.
You’re the one who was remarking that a 1.5 second drop in Cooper’s 400m time would surely mean 1:39 at 800. This thread is turning into full blown nonsense.
It would be fantastic if Cooper became the first man under 1:40, say 1:39.85. Then Army could say that Cooper can’t really call himself a 1:39 runner, as his time is closer to 1:40 than 1:39. And he didn’t run it on grass like Snell. So there.
Well, he’s no Geordie Beamish. If the 47-mid was with a running start, then it’s like 48-low FAT, which is consistent with his 200 PR of 22.12. So he hasn’t improved basically since he was 15. And we know for certain his coach is bluffing with the “capable of sub-45” talk. Because we have SO many 100/200/400 data points and we’ve all been great friends with world class sprinting coaches😂🤦♂️
WORLD CHAMPION is all that needs to be said. Not even Sebastian Coe was a World Champ.
I mean, Seb coe only had 2 world championship years to compete in (83 and 87) both of which were after his outdoor world record setting years. In 1983 he has toxoplasmosis and in 1987 he has a foot injury which torpedoed his outdoor seasons. Considering he set multiple world records in both 1979 and 1981 I feel confident he would have been world champion at least one of those years if they had indoor (didnt start until 1985) or outdoor (didnt start until 1983 and was every 4 years at that point) World Championships.
You’re the one who was remarking that a 1.5 second drop in Cooper’s 400m time would surely mean 1:39 at 800. This thread is turning into full blown nonsense.
Every Armstrong-thread turns out in full blown nonsense.
We now have proof of Armstronglivs lying through his teeth. Lutkenhaus hasn’t raced at 400m at all since last May, when he ran the 400 as the second race of a double. He knows this and yet he LIES!!! LIES!!! Never mind the silliness of believing that a 1.5 second improvement over 400m will of course automatically translate to 3 seconds improvement over 800m. Think of how silly that really is, especially at high level, world class level running. Has this man ever competed? Has he ever coached? Has he ever jogged around the block? Lutkenhaus at 17 is world class. This fact has driven Armstronglivs starkers!!!
Thoughtsleader has said (on another thread) that Lutkenhaus has frequently raced over the 400. I took his word for it. So he hasn't had only one opportunity to run a pr.
You haven't explained why a 1.5 sec improvement over 400 won't mean a 3 sec improvement over 800. It's proportionately the same level of improvement. Or maybe it makes a nonsense of the claim he can go out and carve 1.5 secs off his best 400 time. He hasn't made any improvement so far.
You’ve already explained it. You just obfuscated the timeline.
When ran 45.3r, his 800m PR was 1:46.8.
He then PRed in 800m by 4.6s 3 months later.
So according to your linear improvement theory, he should be 43.1r already, correct?
Why wouldn't a 1.5 sec improvement over one lap mean a 3 sec improvement over 2 laps for an 800 runner?
He has run the 400 numerous times and so had opportunities to reduce his pr from 46.3. He hasn't.
My dude, please. Why do you keep ignoring this: When Cooper ran 46.3 his 800m pr was 1:46. He did not race the 400 since that day. He improved his 800 to 1:42 three months later. So the three second 800 drop that you keep talking about already occurred. And it was 4 seconds actually. So why do you think he couldn't drop his 400 1.5 seconds when he dropped his 800 4 seconds?
or as it is with many high school runners, maybe his 800 just caught up to his 400. improved strength, not speed. in fact, sometimes one is gained at the expense of the other.
You’re the one who was remarking that a 1.5 second drop in Cooper’s 400m time would surely mean 1:39 at 800. This thread is turning into full blown nonsense.
The way Armstronglivs twists himself into knots is something to behold. He is simply unable to admit that it's not at all weird to think Cooper might run sub 45 in the 400, when his 400 pr is from when he was still a 1:46 runner, off of a double, at a high school meet, as a high school sophomore, and his Coach says he believes he could run sub 45.
His Coach has been very realistic so far btw. Even he said he didn't expect 1:42 low and 2nd place, he thought 1:43 high and 5th was realistic. And his Coach isn't out here saying Cooper's gonna run a 3:44 mile this year or anything like that. He knows Cooper is a speed based 800 runner.
Obviously no one's done anything until they do it but it's not at all unlikely that Cooper will run sub 45. It's just absurd to act like that's an out of the question.
1:46.8 pr, a 46.3 doubling. Last summer he drops 4.5 seconds to 1:42.27, several times this year he has had workouts where he hit incredible times on the last item of intervals, 21.8 and 47.mid rolling, as he points out (what 800m runner runs mid 47 in a workout??), a coach who says he might be a sub-45 guy now, and he is a year older at a time in high school, junior year where almost every boy sees speed improvements from increased muscle. The logical thing to conclude is that he is a lot faster at 400m this year than last. I'm sure coach doesn't want him to really press in the 4, but I expect we'll see him jump into a good quality race at the distance some time this year.
His last 400 was on the 3rd of May 2025 - which was told you numerous times, Liestrong.
1.5 seconds improvement over 400m doesn't correspond to 3 seconds improvement over 800m but to 3.5 seconds, Numberblindstrong.
But this is completely irrelevant, since his 800m PB obviously is much closer to his limit than his 400m PB.
So you now say a 1.5 sec improvement over 400 is actually equivalent to 3.5 secs over 800. Better and better. He will be running 1:38.7 over the 800 when he runs 44.8 for the 400.
That he hasn't improved since 2025 doesn't mean he must be better over the distance. An example was given of his running a recent relay leg, which equates to 46.1 FAT. He is improving at about the same rate as Quincy Wilson has in the same period and from the same age.
There is nothing to support your claim that his 800 pr is closer to his limit than his 400 pr is. That is a mere assertion. So he wasn't "trying" when he ran 46.3 or his more recent relay leg?
Rudisha's pr over the 800 was 1:40.91. Still a lot faster than Lutkenhaus. His best 400 was 45.4. So what has Lutkenhaus done to show he is as fast as if not faster than Rudisha over 400?
Rudisha was also capable of much more than 45.4. He only ran the 400m early season in 1:42-1:43ish shape and when he was in his peak 1:41 or faster shape he would only run 800m’s so as to keep the rhythm.
Before the 2015 world champs he did a workout that iirc was 4-5 by 300m at 33. I remember reading that his camp believed he was in 44 second shape then.
And Cooper ran 1:42.2 as a 16 year old with a 4:06 mile best. He can close workouts in 21 or 47. A 44.9 open would not be all that surprising.
So you now say a 1.5 sec improvement over 400 is actually equivalent to 3.5 secs over 800. Better and better. He will be running 1:38.7 over the 800 when he runs 44.8 for the 400.
That he hasn't improved since 2025 doesn't mean he must be better over the distance. An example was given of his running a recent relay leg, which equates to 46.1 FAT. He is improving at about the same rate as Quincy Wilson has in the same period and from the same age.
There is nothing to support your claim that his 800 pr is closer to his limit than his 400 pr is. That is a mere assertion. So he wasn't "trying" when he ran 46.3 or his more recent relay leg?
Rudisha's pr over the 800 was 1:40.91. Still a lot faster than Lutkenhaus. His best 400 was 45.4. So what has Lutkenhaus done to show he is as fast as if not faster than Rudisha over 400?
Rudisha was also capable of much more than 45.4. He only ran the 400m early season in 1:42-1:43ish shape and when he was in his peak 1:41 or faster shape he would only run 800m’s so as to keep the rhythm.
Before the 2015 world champs he did a workout that iirc was 4-5 by 300m at 33. I remember reading that his camp believed he was in 44 second shape then.
And Cooper ran 1:42.2 as a 16 year old with a 4:06 mile best. He can close workouts in 21 or 47. A 44.9 open would not be all that surprising.
Yeah I think it is pretty reasonable to expect he could run under a 45 400. I doubt his coach would just say that without knowing what he is talking about. What would be crazy….What if Cooper becomes the first person to break 45, 1:42, and run a sub 4 minute mile?
You damn yanks love disappearing up the ass of your own don't you?
Lets see the kid in a real, outdoor world event when the actual best in the world turn up
Maybe the Brits will find someone new who can try and challenge Cooper, since their current crop doesn’t appear to be up to the task what with repeated injuries and Cian McPhillips is Irish, not British. We already know the Kenyans and Canadians have top notch Medal laden opponents for the rising star who bothers much of the rest of the world, people like yourself, because of his talent.
You’re the one who was remarking that a 1.5 second drop in Cooper’s 400m time would surely mean 1:39 at 800. This thread is turning into full blown nonsense.
It would. Even faster apparently. If he is that much faster over the 400 he will be even faster over the 800, his main distance. But being faster over md doesn't mean he is faster in a sprint distance as it isn't his speed that has necessarily improved but his endurance.