Grant Fisher's "Summer of PRs" Project

rojo wrote:

Fan Out West -> wrote:

Just a hunch: Grant's 5000 AR (WR?) attempt will come in Paris.

WR attempt? Why are you posting an April Fools on March 30th.? In what world is Grant Fisher an outdoor world record holder? The guy just got 14th at the NYC Half and you are talking about him breaking the 5000 WR early in the outdoor season? No.

Please admit you a PR consultant paid by the podcasters to promote the show on our forum. If not, you need to get your brain checked for a lack of logic.

But you aren't the only one with some HORRIBLE takes on here. I mean HORRIBLE

Fan Out West -> wrote:

Grant's 26:33.84 AR is now over four years old.

One can only imagine he could get pretty close to Cheptegei's 26:11.00 WR, now almost six years old.

Am I living in an alternative universe?

In what world would a guy who didn't win a US title last year (got beat in both the 5k and 10k), then failed to medal at Worlds (8th in both) and now has just finished 14th at the NYC half be talked about as a world record holder this summer?

Not a real one w/o PEDs.

Please STOP.

The odds of that being true are much less likely than 2024 looking like a classic case of "you move to a new coach/stimulus, you get a big boost" but good luck after that.

Kudos to Grant and Mike for 2024. They did it. Not one medal. But two. In the Olympics. Unreal.

But everything since that 3:48 mile at Pre last year has pretty much been a disappointment - USAs, Worlds, NYC Half.

rojo wrote:

Fan Out West -> wrote:

Just a hunch: Grant's 5000 AR (WR?) attempt will come in Paris.

WR attempt? Why are you posting an April Fools on March 30th.? In what world is Grant Fisher an outdoor world record holder? The guy just got 14th at the NYC Half and you are talking about him breaking the 5000 WR early in the outdoor season? No.

Please admit you a PR consultant paid by the podcasters to promote the show on our forum. If not, you need to get your brain checked for a lack of logic.

But you aren't the only one with some HORRIBLE takes on here. I mean HORRIBLE

Fan Out West -> wrote:

Grant's 26:33.84 AR is now over four years old.

One can only imagine he could get pretty close to Cheptegei's 26:11.00 WR, now almost six years old.

Am I living in an alternative universe?

In what world would a guy who didn't win a US title last year (got beat in both the 5k and 10k), then failed to medal at Worlds (8th in both) and now has just finished 14th at the NYC half be talked about as a world record holder this summer?

Not a real one w/o PEDs.

Please STOP.

The odds of that being true are much less likely than 2024 looking like a classic case of "you move to a new coach/stimulus, you get a big boost" but good luck after that.

Kudos to Grant and Mike for 2024. They did it. Not one medal. But two. In the Olympics. Unreal.

But everything since that 3:48 mile at Pre last year has pretty much been a disappointment - USAs, Worlds, NYC Half.

colorunner123 wrote:

rojo wrote:

But everything since that 3:48 mile at Pre last year has pretty much been a disappointment - USAs, Worlds, NYC Half.

Great rant, Rojo. I love it.

Fisher was a little disappointing at USAs last year, but he didn't do too badly. He lost to Nico Young in the 10K by 0.3 seconds in a slow race. I don't think any of us were shocked by that. And he lost to Cole Hocker, the future world champion, by 0.3 seconds in the 5K. It was surprising at the time, but in retrospect that was a pretty good race by Fisher.

Clearly by the time the World Championships rolled around he was burnt.

And, yes, his NYC half marathon debut was poor. Maybe he just isnt cut out for road running or cold-weather running, who knows.

But you left out something important: his 2K at the New Balance Indoor Grand Prix was excellent.

4:49.48.

That's #2 on the all-time list, second only to Hobbs Kessler. I can't find an authoritative conversion calculator, but I assume this is the equivalent of a sub 12:50 5K.

Fisher wants to run fast outdoors this year. I think he can and will go sub 12:40. Whether that will be the AR remains to be seen since Nico Young also is clearly capable of running sub 12:40.

I agree, the WR is nearly impossible.

Fact_Checker wrote:

colorunner123 wrote:

Great rant, Rojo. I love it.

Fisher was a little disappointing at USAs last year, but he didn't do too badly. He lost to Nico Young in the 10K by 0.3 seconds in a slow race. I don't think any of us were shocked by that. And he lost to Cole Hocker, the future world champion, by 0.3 seconds in the 5K. It was surprising at the time, but in retrospect that was a pretty good race by Fisher.

Clearly by the time the World Championships rolled around he was burnt.

And, yes, his NYC half marathon debut was poor. Maybe he just isnt cut out for road running or cold-weather running, who knows.

But you left out something important: his 2K at the New Balance Indoor Grand Prix was excellent.

4:49.48.

That's #2 on the all-time list, second only to Hobbs Kessler. I can't find an authoritative conversion calculator, but I assume this is the equivalent of a sub 12:50 5K.

Fisher wants to run fast outdoors this year. I think he can and will go sub 12:40. Whether that will be the AR remains to be seen since Nico Young also is clearly capable of running sub 12:40.

I agree, the WR is nearly impossible.

In what world is Nico Young clearly capable of going sub 12:40? That makes zero sense.

Fact_Checker wrote:

colorunner123 wrote:

Great rant, Rojo. I love it.

Fisher was a little disappointing at USAs last year, but he didn't do too badly. He lost to Nico Young in the 10K by 0.3 seconds in a slow race. I don't think any of us were shocked by that. And he lost to Cole Hocker, the future world champion, by 0.3 seconds in the 5K. It was surprising at the time, but in retrospect that was a pretty good race by Fisher.

Clearly by the time the World Championships rolled around he was burnt.

And, yes, his NYC half marathon debut was poor. Maybe he just isnt cut out for road running or cold-weather running, who knows.

But you left out something important: his 2K at the New Balance Indoor Grand Prix was excellent.

4:49.48.

That's #2 on the all-time list, second only to Hobbs Kessler. I can't find an authoritative conversion calculator, but I assume this is the equivalent of a sub 12:50 5K.

Fisher wants to run fast outdoors this year. I think he can and will go sub 12:40. Whether that will be the AR remains to be seen since Nico Young also is clearly capable of running sub 12:40.

I agree, the WR is nearly impossible.

In what world is Nico Young clearly capable of going sub 12:40? That makes zero sense.

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

I’m optimistic about Grants summer but I would think his A goals are to run sub-12:40 or to win a DL. I don’t think he is considering a World Record. With the guys leaving the track for the roads I’m not really sure there’s the talent/the will to push these Diamond Leagues in the 4th kilometer like you’d need for one thing. Maybe Mehary starts doing it but I’m dubious he’s talented/good enough. Ditto Yihune or Kuma Girma. We seem to be in a bit of a talent drought with the Ethiopians and Ugandans. The best Europeans (Almgren, Schrub, Gressier, Mills) won’t be sacrificial lambs. Nor will the Americans. The Gebrhiwet 12:36 was both shocking and also the result of him sandbagging the entire race and letting Yomif/the lights play pacemaker. He is/was not the caliber athlete of Yomif let alone Cheptegei.

Fan Out West -> wrote:

Just listened to Grant's interview conducted by Amby Burfoot & George Hirsch for their "Running: State of the Sport" podcast. See link at bottom of this post.

As it was conducted at the end of March soon after Grant's NYC Half, much of the discussion was about that race. Grant got into quite a bit of detail on the race & preparation from his perspective and the error of omission he believes resulted in his bonking 10 miles in.

He also delves into his background dating to high school through his days w/Jerry @ BTC then to the past 1 1/2 years with Mike.

Also talks a bit about GST & how he believes those early outdoor season meets required him to keep his foot on the gas from the prior fall all way thru the Tokyo WCs -- where he was running on fumes. Also discusses the $ issue. (Note: this interview was conducted well before the recent news re: GST's bankruptcy settlement offering 70% owed to the athletes.)

45 minutes in, George & Andy finally start questioning Grant about his future. And, all the talk is about his marathon debut.

Grant kept to the script, stating he will make a decision whether or not to run a pre-Olympic marathon at the end of this year or next. If he does decide to go for it, his first marathon will not be the Oly Trials -- too risky in his mind. Also, Grant made it clear he will not attempt a track/marathon double at the LA Olympics should he make both teams. In that best-case scenario, he will choose one or the other.

Unfortunately, no talk about his upcoming outdoor track season. So, we'll just have to keep speculating about a statement he made a few weeks back about wanting to set a new 5000 record. A PR? A new AR? Even a WR attempt?

So, no Big Reveal.

However -- saving the best for last here -- Grant answered a question re: why the 800, 1500 & 5000 have recently become so fast. After mentioning shoes & bicarb & more advanced training, Grant dropped a very curious nugget of information into our laps, one which I have never heard mentioned in the context of athletic training.

He's been experimenting with . . . broccoli sprouts.

What?!

If you follow nutrition news at all, you might be aware broccoli sprouts are considered a "superfood" due to its very high content of sulforaphane, a compound which has (purported) dramatic effects on lowering inflammation, improving detoxification and protecting against UV damage. It is also a somewhat popular supplement in the anti-aging/longevity community, as the sulforaphane molecule supports cellular longevity by helping to reduce DNA damage.

However, since when did broccoli sprouts become a thing with athletes? Are they taking this supplement for its general health benefits -- or are there ergogenic qualities benefiting stamina and/or muscle strength? Do bcs/sulforaphane speed up recovery from hard workouts and/or injuries?

Can anyone enlighten us unwashed masses regarding this matter?

Full interview below:

Link:www.runningstateofthesport.com/