Wherever she winds up - she needs to get that speed back, while developing her endurance as well.
Strangely enough speed has never been an issue. She was very handy in the 8 and won most 400M opens in HS.
Then why isn't she running 2.00 for an 800m now? Veronica Hargrave (Indiana) came in as a 2.15 runner (according to her Hoosier bio), and is now running 2.00. They (MSU) can't take a 2.03 runner and get her to 2.00?! Why do so many coaches in the NCAA ignore speed development, just to go longer - fine if you are Jane H, but others can develop. Just ask Keely H, who is apparently a pretty good 800m runner, who ran 58 for 400m back early in HS, but is now a 51.5 runner.
Reminds me of an idiot parent - whose daughter I coached (running 58 at that same age) - who pretended to know more than I, ignored that side of her development (speed is NOT trainable according to him) , now in College she is struggling to break 55sec and her 800m has stagnated as well.
As to Michigan, let's see what they do for Ross - if she can't get under 2.00 in the next year, then perhaps there are problems there. At least they aren't flooding their program with Kenyans at this point anyway. Getting into Michigan isn't always easy. A decade ago I had a 1.47 HS boy apply, but was only offered 30%, so needless to say he went elsewhere (much to Michigan's regret as he made every NCAA final in College (7), except his last when injured).
Strangely enough speed has never been an issue. She was very handy in the 8 and won most 400M opens in HS.
Then why isn't she running 2.00 for an 800m now? Veronica Hargrave (Indiana) came in as a 2.15 runner (according to her Hoosier bio), and is now running 2.00. They (MSU) can't take a 2.03 runner and get her to 2.00?! Why do so many coaches in the NCAA ignore speed development, just to go longer - fine if you are Jane H, but others can develop. Just ask Keely H, who is apparently a pretty good 800m runner, who ran 58 for 400m back early in HS, but is now a 51.5 runner.
Reminds me of an idiot parent - whose daughter I coached (running 58 at that same age) - who pretended to know more than I, ignored that side of her development (speed is NOT trainable according to him) , now in College she is struggling to break 55sec and her 800m has stagnated as well.
As to Michigan, let's see what they do for Ross - if she can't get under 2.00 in the next year, then perhaps there are problems there. At least they aren't flooding their program with Kenyans at this point anyway. Getting into Michigan isn't always easy. A decade ago I had a 1.47 HS boy apply, but was only offered 30%, so needless to say he went elsewhere (much to Michigan's regret as he made every NCAA final in College (7), except his last when injured).
Do you realize they didn't train Forsyth for the 800? That's why. She's been a 1500-5k type since she got there. MSU always moves people up. Forsyth may want to move down in distances and Coach doesn't agree.
Strangely enough speed has never been an issue. She was very handy in the 8 and won most 400M opens in HS.
Then why isn't she running 2.00 for an 800m now? Veronica Hargrave (Indiana) came in as a 2.15 runner (according to her Hoosier bio), and is now running 2.00. They (MSU) can't take a 2.03 runner and get her to 2.00?! Why do so many coaches in the NCAA ignore speed development, just to go longer - fine if you are Jane H, but others can develop. Just ask Keely H, who is apparently a pretty good 800m runner, who ran 58 for 400m back early in HS, but is now a 51.5 runner.
Reminds me of an idiot parent - whose daughter I coached (running 58 at that same age) - who pretended to know more than I, ignored that side of her development (speed is NOT trainable according to him) , now in College she is struggling to break 55sec and her 800m has stagnated as well.
As to Michigan, let's see what they do for Ross - if she can't get under 2.00 in the next year, then perhaps there are problems there. At least they aren't flooding their program with Kenyans at this point anyway. Getting into Michigan isn't always easy. A decade ago I had a 1.47 HS boy apply, but was only offered 30%, so needless to say he went elsewhere (much to Michigan's regret as he made every NCAA final in College (7), except his last when injured).
Didn’t take much digging to figure out who you were talking about. It’s a bit disingenuous saying they only offered 30% to a 1:47 guy. He ran 1:47 May of his senior year. As a junior he ran 1:50. So if Michigan offered 30% it was to a 1:50 kid and not a 1:47 kid.
Didn’t take much digging to figure out who you were talking about. It’s a bit disingenuous saying they only offered 30% to a 1:47 guy. He ran 1:47 May of his senior year. As a junior he ran 1:50. So if Michigan offered 30% it was to a 1:50 kid and not a 1:47 kid.
...but you have to have some flexibility to improve your offer, if athlete improves over their sr year.
If you just sit on the jr offer, and another team swoops in with a better offer when kid runs fast, you will lose them.
Strangely enough speed has never been an issue. She was very handy in the 8 and won most 400M opens in HS.
Then why isn't she running 2.00 for an 800m now? Veronica Hargrave (Indiana) came in as a 2.15 runner (according to her Hoosier bio), and is now running 2.00. They (MSU) can't take a 2.03 runner and get her to 2.00?! Why do so many coaches in the NCAA ignore speed development, just to go longer - fine if you are Jane H, but others can develop. Just ask Keely H, who is apparently a pretty good 800m runner, who ran 58 for 400m back early in HS, but is now a 51.5 runner.
Reminds me of an idiot parent - whose daughter I coached (running 58 at that same age) - who pretended to know more than I, ignored that side of her development (speed is NOT trainable according to him) , now in College she is struggling to break 55sec and her 800m has stagnated as well.
As to Michigan, let's see what they do for Ross - if she can't get under 2.00 in the next year, then perhaps there are problems there. At least they aren't flooding their program with Kenyans at this point anyway. Getting into Michigan isn't always easy. A decade ago I had a 1.47 HS boy apply, but was only offered 30%, so needless to say he went elsewhere (much to Michigan's regret as he made every NCAA final in College (7), except his last when injured).
I don't the answer to your question, maybe they don't have her in mind for the 8? But she did progress nicely from 12th grade to NCAA level.
As for Mich, im quite sure Stanford has steep admission standards too and we lost the 3 state champs in a row to them.
Then why isn't she running 2.00 for an 800m now? Veronica Hargrave (Indiana) came in as a 2.15 runner (according to her Hoosier bio), and is now running 2.00. They (MSU) can't take a 2.03 runner and get her to 2.00?! Why do so many coaches in the NCAA ignore speed development, just to go longer - fine if you are Jane H, but others can develop. Just ask Keely H, who is apparently a pretty good 800m runner, who ran 58 for 400m back early in HS, but is now a 51.5 runner.
Reminds me of an idiot parent - whose daughter I coached (running 58 at that same age) - who pretended to know more than I, ignored that side of her development (speed is NOT trainable according to him) , now in College she is struggling to break 55sec and her 800m has stagnated as well.
As to Michigan, let's see what they do for Ross - if she can't get under 2.00 in the next year, then perhaps there are problems there. At least they aren't flooding their program with Kenyans at this point anyway. Getting into Michigan isn't always easy. A decade ago I had a 1.47 HS boy apply, but was only offered 30%, so needless to say he went elsewhere (much to Michigan's regret as he made every NCAA final in College (7), except his last when injured).
Do you realize they didn't train Forsyth for the 800? That's why. She's been a 1500-5k type since she got there. MSU always moves people up. Forsyth may want to move down in distances and Coach doesn't agree.
If i recall....I think she ran around 55:xx for 400 in HS just dabbling in it. Saw her win a lot of those. Strong runner.
She was in inpatient therapy for an eating disorder in high school, which she did an interview on and openly discusses.
It was rumored she went to MSU to be near her sister and continue her recovery. Who knows if that’s true.
Well to bring that full circle, sure would be nice to see her in maize and blue.
MIchigan women have a pretty toxic culture. They've lost a couple of prime recruits because of personalities on that team. Hopefully they can turn the program around like the Men's team.
Mich girls have improved alot with culture. They had a toxic girl transfer out and since it seems a bit better. I would more wonder if the coach is retiring since he's been around a while and may not be fully engaged. Seems the whole mich track and field team has been in an overhaul state and improving, lets see what changes after tbis outdoor season.
Think of your education first. Michigan has some of the best academics of the publics. It’s up there with UVa, Berkeley, UCLA, or any of the other heavy hitters.
Well to bring that full circle, sure would be nice to see her in maize and blue.
MIchigan women have a pretty toxic culture. They've lost a couple of prime recruits because of personalities on that team. Hopefully they can turn the program around like the Men's team.
Im not saying you are wrong, but how the heck can a serious program have one person that is being so "toxic"? A football or BBall coach would nip that shi$ in the bud. Is it more of an issue with development? Need for a big name coach? They have numerous Pro women right in town running with VNTC on the same campus and Coach Ron. Too bad they can't leverage that a bit. I don't think the two ever mix. Might be some NCAA rules there?
Living in Michigan and a huge fan. Looking at Michigan distance teams seems boys do alright, not great, but girls seem to never really develop. Any insight on the girls distance program at Michigan that results in pretty flat...