Chep 100% was on the sauce when setting his 5k and 10k WRs.
That goes without saying. No sauce, no WR.
Or maybe he got eight full months of training after getting the 10k WR later improved by Rhonex, who was younger and more promising… but got busted.
Dragonflies, an off year because of the pandemic… it adds up for me.
Chep has shown he was the best at 5000/10000 during his window of dominance. Props to Barega but Chep had the best legs in Tokyo, got boxed because of bad tactics and attacked too late, he was closing the gap against an awesome kicker.
The sport is in a “sorry for being good” hard spot for some of you.
Enjoy Jacob, Jakob, the last dances of Kejelcha and Aregawi. There’s no one as promising as them coming up.
Or maybe he got eight full months of training after getting the 10k WR later improved by Rhonex, who was younger and more promising… but got busted.
Dragonflies, an off year because of the pandemic… it adds up for me.
Chep has shown he was the best at 5000/10000 during his window of dominance. Props to Barega but Chep had the best legs in Tokyo, got boxed because of bad tactics and attacked too late, he was closing the gap against an awesome kicker.
The sport is in a “sorry for being good” hard spot for some of you.
Enjoy Jacob, Jakob, the last dances of Kejelcha and Aregawi. There’s no one as promising as them coming up.
No one as promising? What sport have you been watching? Unless you're specifically talking about the 10000m.
After Schumacher's group, right? And Salazar's group, right?
(If we're talking about actual evidence and bans.)
If we’re talking about actual bans:
As far as I know, only one person from those two groups has ever come up positive. You can contrast that to two from Bernard Ouma’s group in Kenya, two from Addy Ruiter’s group in Uganda (Cheptegei’s group), and two from Sang’s group in kaptagat.
Who are the two from Ouma's group (Manangoi and...?). It's also worth probably considering the size of these groups at some point. Sang coaches what...30-40 athletes at a time over the last 20 years (he has many assistants and athletes not in Global Sports Communications). Obviously some of these athletes come and go each year. Ruiter more like a couple dozen I think?
Salazar's group was smaller and more intimate, but of course there's a lot of smoke around that group and the greatest scrutiny was always to the inner-inner circle of Rupp/Farah. He also got banned for a PED-related offense.
Anyway, the Rosa agency has a well-earned suspicious reputation. To be fair, I am less sure if the Ugandan part of the equation here has the same number of bans as the Kenyan part of the operation. I really have no idea, you barely hear about the athletes Kiplimo trains with, though maybe there've been bans there. Cheptegei's training partners I am much more aware of.
As far as I know, only one person from those two groups has ever come up positive. You can contrast that to two from Bernard Ouma’s group in Kenya, two from Addy Ruiter’s group in Uganda (Cheptegei’s group), and two from Sang’s group in kaptagat.
Who are the two from Ouma's group (Manangoi and...?). It's also worth probably considering the size of these groups at some point. Sang coaches what...30-40 athletes at a time over the last 20 years (he has many assistants and athletes not in Global Sports Communications). Obviously some of these athletes come and go each year. Ruiter more like a couple dozen I think?
Salazar's group was smaller and more intimate, but of course there's a lot of smoke around that group and the greatest scrutiny was always to the inner-inner circle of Rupp/Farah. He also got banned for a PED-related offense.
Anyway, the Rosa agency has a well-earned suspicious reputation. To be fair, I am less sure if the Ugandan part of the equation here has the same number of bans as the Kenyan part of the operation. I really have no idea, you barely hear about the athletes Kiplimo trains with, though maybe there've been bans there. Cheptegei's training partners I am much more aware of.
Ruiter group has had two in the Ugandan group of ~20. I will have to apologize that I cannot remember the second name of Ouma’s group after manangoi offhand. I don’t even think that group is really relevant anymore anyway. Another irrelevant group to discuss would be Rowland at OTC with Amos and Aman both getting popped.
As far as I know, only one person from those two groups has ever come up positive. You can contrast that to two from Bernard Ouma’s group in Kenya, two from Addy Ruiter’s group in Uganda (Cheptegei’s group), and two from Sang’s group in kaptagat.
Who are the two from Ouma's group (Manangoi and...?). It's also worth probably considering the size of these groups at some point. Sang coaches what...30-40 athletes at a time over the last 20 years (he has many assistants and athletes not in Global Sports Communications). Obviously some of these athletes come and go each year. Ruiter more like a couple dozen I think?
Salazar's group was smaller and more intimate, but of course there's a lot of smoke around that group and the greatest scrutiny was always to the inner-inner circle of Rupp/Farah. He also got banned for a PED-related offense.
Anyway, the Rosa agency has a well-earned suspicious reputation. To be fair, I am less sure if the Ugandan part of the equation here has the same number of bans as the Kenyan part of the operation. I really have no idea, you barely hear about the athletes Kiplimo trains with, though maybe there've been bans there. Cheptegei's training partners I am much more aware of.
I believe I read recently that Kiplimo does almost all of his training alone. I know he was scooped up by Rosa and moved to Tuscany when he first came on to the scene as just a young kid. However, that was with a different coach (but still with Rosa) than he has now.
I believe I read recently that Kiplimo does almost all of his training alone. I know he was scooped up by Rosa and moved to Tuscany when he first came on to the scene as just a young kid. However, that was with a different coach (but still with Rosa) than he has now.
From what I’ve read about his Italian coach it is a very technical, scientific system so I guess that would make sense (could be a setup like Almgren’s). There’s an Ugandan coach who often has quotes who maybe handles other Rosa athletes in the area, but again don’t know much about them or any doping situations (if they exist). I don’t think there was a second doping bust in the Ouma group…much would’ve been made of that. As it stands, he’s one of the few coaches willing to suggest on the record that El Guerrouj’s records were chemically enhanced. He also said he rejected Kiprop because he didn’t trust his character.
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I believe I read recently that Kiplimo does almost all of his training alone. I know he was scooped up by Rosa and moved to Tuscany when he first came on to the scene as just a young kid. However, that was with a different coach (but still with Rosa) than he has now.
From what I’ve read about his Italian coach it is a very technical, scientific system so I guess that would make sense (could be a setup like Almgren’s). There’s an Ugandan coach who often has quotes who maybe handles other Rosa athletes in the area, but again don’t know much about them or any doping situations (if they exist). I don’t think there was a second doping bust in the Ouma group…much would’ve been made of that. As it stands, he’s one of the few coaches willing to suggest on the record that El Guerrouj’s records were chemically enhanced. He also said he rejected Kiprop because he didn’t trust his character.
No one as promising? What sport have you been watching? Unless you're specifically talking about the 10000m.
I was talking about the 5000, the 10000 and now I’m getting back on topic for the HM.
With Barega and Berihu moving to the roads, Yomif and Hagos getting older…
If not JI, who are the next 12:40 guys? Who could even run sub 26:30?
Who is in the 57:30 ballpark?
I disagree with the 5000, there's a bunch of 12:4x guys, many of which in their early 20s. Agree about the 10000 (which is a very similar event to the half marathon), I think the African talent that would generally dominate those distances moved to Marathons.
I believe I read recently that Kiplimo does almost all of his training alone. I know he was scooped up by Rosa and moved to Tuscany when he first came on to the scene as just a young kid. However, that was with a different coach (but still with Rosa) than he has now.
From what I’ve read about his Italian coach it is a very technical, scientific system so I guess that would make sense (could be a setup like Almgren’s). There’s an Ugandan coach who often has quotes who maybe handles other Rosa athletes in the area, but again don’t know much about them or any doping situations (if they exist). I don’t think there was a second doping bust in the Ouma group…much would’ve been made of that. As it stands, he’s one of the few coaches willing to suggest on the record that El Guerrouj’s records were chemically enhanced. He also said he rejected Kiprop because he didn’t trust his character.
No doubt, if the weather is favourable, he gets the WR back
If conditions are good and he's in peak shape, he can go faster than 56:42. The current men's half marathon record seems weakest among the 4 big road WRs (men's and women's half and full).
Since super shoes, men's marathon has gone down by 2:22 and women's marathon has gone down by 3:30 (and that's excluding the convicted Chepng'etich). On the half side, women's half has gone down by 2:20, but men's has only dropped by 53 seconds (excluding Kiplimo's 56:42 of course). There's a lot of talent in that 57:3x range, and I fail to believe that the best anyone can currently do is less than a minute better than Tadese desite vastly better shoes and additional improvements in training and nutrition. I feel quite a few more 56:xxs are only a matter of time.