This thread was initially titled Hoey OUT for Wanamaker Mile but we changed to make it more descriptive. We heard he tweaked his hamstring during the WR attempt.
People can cry doping all they want and it could be true, but his having tweaked his hamstring is more than likely with a January world 800m record after 1:12.84 last month. The timing is right. Everyone warned about this. If he didn't compete again all indoors and just rested long enough and went back to training for summer, it would be in his best interests anyway.
What I'm 99% hearing is that it's precautionary for a minor hamstring tweak. Further updates to come.
I head the same thing.
Hoey 100% needs to try to run USA indoors and Worlds. Crazy to me that a guy with as little tactical experience as him wouldn't do it.
I don't want him to be a modern day version of Alan Webb.
Anyone know where he's been training? Where do you train in the US in January where you aren't taking some chance by running fast enough to run 1:42.50.
Like it's either too cold to be running that fast if you are training outdoors or it's problematic if you are doing it on tight turns indoors.
Modern day Webb? Are you joking? Dude is so far beyond Webb it's scary. World indoor gold, multiple wr... Just vastly beyond Webb. Webb was the top American at a time when the US had nobody else. Most overrated runner on this site.
it woll be nutraceuticals and peptides and mega vit D and or nad plus, which create a very abnormal blood and hormone profile, where the primary agent / s are nealy detectable. so the powers that be, are looking at the profile, and wll act when it gets yoo rediculous, which it has. this dude is begging to be caught.
sorry, the primary drugs will be undetectable in practice or generally, but the metabolites a plenty wont correspond with any kind of natural homoserine.
this is the ped profile, many indicators that add up to zero probability a natural human can be anything like the data shows.
like a no beard one year and the next year a beard on the lady, coupled with 5 other major indicators, coupled with having a drug implicated coach.
This is a case of Hoey being sensible and easing off, rather than over doing it as many here are criticizing him for.
Disappointed he won't be running the mile, because he could have been considered a favourite to win, but skipping it is probably a good decision for the rest of his season.
Hoey 100% needs to try to run USA indoors and Worlds. Crazy to me that a guy with as little tactical experience as him wouldn't do it.
I don't want him to be a modern day version of Alan Webb.
Anyone know where he's been training? Where do you train in the US in January where you aren't taking some chance by running fast enough to run 1:42.50.
Like it's either too cold to be running that fast if you are training outdoors or it's problematic if you are doing it on tight turns indoors.
Modern day Webb? Are you joking? Dude is so far beyond Webb it's scary. World indoor gold, multiple wr... Just vastly beyond Webb. Webb was the top American at a time when the US had nobody else. Most overrated runner on this site.
Webb may be overrated but you are overrating Hoey at the same time. His victory at world indoors came against no one who would be considered top 5 in the world. I don't think anyone he beat made the final in Paris/Tokyo. The 800wr I will give credit. The 600wr is in an event which is almost entirely competed in by USA athletes or in the USA collegiate system. It is a soft event. He has not made a single team outdoors. Webb at least made teams.
For about 2-3 months in 2007, Webb was unquestionably the best 1500m man in the world. Hoey has never been on that level.
Occam's razor, folks. He has basically had one long, continuous season since not qualifying for the 800m US team in Paris '24 with little to show for it in terms of results. He finally achieved something notable with all that fitness (WR). Sounds like an excellent time to take a step back and recover.
This is the high IQ move. All the bums on here hyping him up for World Indoors will be laughing at him Outdoors if he misses Worlds or the Final at Worlds.
What I'm 99% hearing is that it's precautionary for a minor hamstring tweak. Further updates to come.
I head the same thing.
Hoey 100% needs to try to run USA indoors and Worlds. Crazy to me that a guy with as little tactical experience as him wouldn't do it.
I don't want him to be a modern day version of Alan Webb.
Anyone know where he's been training? Where do you train in the US in January where you aren't taking some chance by running fast enough to run 1:42.50.
Like it's either too cold to be running that fast if you are training outdoors or it's problematic if you are doing it on tight turns indoors.
I don't think that's a fair comparison. Whatever else you may think of them, Josh Hoey is a World Champion. Alan Webb isn't. Even if you consider an indoor championship as lesser than an outdoor one, it doesn't matter, as Webb doesn't even have a medal at either. Also Webb never set any WRs. This isn't to put down Webb; I think old people such as yourself have a very high regard for Webb/Ritz/Hall, which makes sense as they were the best Americans for a decade, but they're almost deified compared to runners today who are objectively better -- both in hardware and times (Hall might still be better than Mantz to be fair).
Again, Webb is one of the best Americans ever. I just think you should put some more respect on Hoey's name.
What I'm 99% hearing is that it's precautionary for a minor hamstring tweak. Further updates to come.
I head the same thing.
Hoey 100% needs to try to run USA indoors and Worlds. Crazy to me that a guy with as little tactical experience as him wouldn't do it.
I don't want him to be a modern day version of Alan Webb.
Anyone know where he's been training? Where do you train in the US in January where you aren't taking some chance by running fast enough to run 1:42.50.
Like it's either too cold to be running that fast if you are training outdoors or it's problematic if you are doing it on tight turns indoors.
It's not too cold to be running that fast in SoCal, Arizona, or south Florida.
Modern day Webb? Are you joking? Dude is so far beyond Webb it's scary. World indoor gold, multiple wr... Just vastly beyond Webb. Webb was the top American at a time when the US had nobody else. Most overrated runner on this site.
Webb may be overrated but you are overrating Hoey at the same time. His victory at world indoors came against no one who would be considered top 5 in the world. I don't think anyone he beat made the final in Paris/Tokyo. The 800wr I will give credit. The 600wr is in an event which is almost entirely competed in by USA athletes or in the USA collegiate system. It is a soft event. He has not made a single team outdoors. Webb at least made teams.
For about 2-3 months in 2007, Webb was unquestionably the best 1500m man in the world. Hoey has never been on that level.
It’s funny. I agree with the above poster. Webb is on a completely different level of head case.
Hoey won World indoor. Full stop.
The year before, Hoey PRed at USAs in the 800m.
Hoey’s “bad race” came to be the 3 other fastest Americans ever.
We were all the big fans of Webb, but his chronic underwhelming performances when it mattered probably won’t be matched.
Alan Webb would smoke Hoey with the Supershoes. There is no valid comparison between generations anymore. We can only compare current generation to each other because of all the new cheat codes. This is why the new records are fake but current generation comparisons to each other is valid because the playing field is even with multiple legal cheaters codes.
What I'm 99% hearing is that it's precautionary for a minor hamstring tweak. Further updates to come.
I head the same thing.
Hoey 100% needs to try to run USA indoors and Worlds. Crazy to me that a guy with as little tactical experience as him wouldn't do it.
I don't want him to be a modern day version of Alan Webb.
Anyone know where he's been training? Where do you train in the US in January where you aren't taking some chance by running fast enough to run 1:42.50.
Like it's either too cold to be running that fast if you are training outdoors or it's problematic if you are doing it on tight turns indoors.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but he’s an auto qualifier for indoor world championships correct?
Occam's razor, folks. He has basically had one long, continuous season since not qualifying for the 800m US team in Paris '24 with little to show for it in terms of results. He finally achieved something notable with all that fitness (WR). Sounds like an excellent time to take a step back and recover.
This is the high IQ move. All the bums on here hyping him up for World Indoors will be laughing at him Outdoors if he misses Worlds or the Final at Worlds.
There’s no outdoor world championships this year. The only global title on the board is World Indoors.