In one of the interviews she mentioned her coach and it wasn't Jon Greene, so maybe not running for Verde TC anymore? I'm pretty into trails and didn't recognize the name. Bandera is a solid event, but Black Canyon draws some of the best/elite trail runners around so will be good competition. I personally love seeing people mix it up, with Shelby and Molly on the trails, Courtney Dauwalter hitting the road marathon (would love to see her OTQ), and Emily Infeld just announcing she is headed to the roads instead of the track for now.
Brandon Miller holds the overall record for the course at 3:35. He ran 2:24 for the marathon the year before he set the record. My inclination is that the womens course record was quite soft at 25% slower than the mens, but good to see her back running and transitioning successfully to the trails where anything can happen.
When you see a woman winning a 50k outright you have to wonder really how competitive are these events! The ladies Comrades winner runs a faster average pace over the Comrades than the world 50 mile record and a similar pace to the 6:33 100km world record. I would suggest any ultra runner who thinks they are good should sign up for the Comrades see how they get on against 24000 runners and try for the 100k plus prize money.
It's a 50k in January. It's not a big deal that she "shattered" the course record. Also, it's a trail race and conditions matter and somebody mentioned that the course changed a couple of times.
Classic response with the 1st post being pure hate. It's good to see her running & hopefully enjoying herself. She has a bronze medal & has nothing to prove. It's actually going to be pretty fun to see someone with her credentials mix it up with trail specialists at bigger races to see how she does. If you can't find some fun in that then rethink why that is.
It looks like the guy she beat is a 2:5x marathoner who went for 2:40s last year but lost it in a hot race so it's hard to place Seidel's result. Maybe a 2:30s/40s road marathon kind of effort. Will be interesting to watch her double the distance.
When you see a woman winning a 50k outright you have to wonder really how competitive are these events! The ladies Comrades winner runs a faster average pace over the Comrades than the world 50 mile record and a similar pace to the 6:33 100km world record. I would suggest any ultra runner who thinks they are good should sign up for the Comrades see how they get on against 24000 runners and try for the 100k plus prize money.
Comrades is the most competitive ROAD ultra in the world ( up to 100k distance). Here we are talking about trail running.
It's a 50k in January. It's not a big deal that she "shattered" the course record. Also, it's a trail race and conditions matter and somebody mentioned that the course changed a couple of times.
Classic response with the 1st post being pure hate. It's good to see her running & hopefully enjoying herself. She has a bronze medal & has nothing to prove. It's actually going to be pretty fun to see someone with her credentials mix it up with trail specialists at bigger races to see how she does. If you can't find some fun in that then rethink why that is.
It looks like the guy she beat is a 2:5x marathoner who went for 2:40s last year but lost it in a hot race so it's hard to place Seidel's result. Maybe a 2:30s/40s road marathon kind of effort. Will be interesting to watch her double the distance.
No hate at all, just facts. Thanks to all of the 125 downvoters. I never had so many :-)
Next time around she should break that by 20 mins . the 409 PB I’m talking about . no idea with trail running but a fit Siedel will run fast than 7:20 / mile pace
It's a 50k in January. It's not a big deal that she "shattered" the course record. Also, it's a trail race and conditions matter and somebody mentioned that the course changed a couple of times.
Molly thinks far too highly of herself. Let the light dim out, it'll be okay missy.
When you see a woman winning a 50k outright you have to wonder really how competitive are these events! The ladies Comrades winner runs a faster average pace over the Comrades than the world 50 mile record and a similar pace to the 6:33 100km world record. I would suggest any ultra runner who thinks they are good should sign up for the Comrades see how they get on against 24000 runners and try for the 100k plus prize money.
Comrades is the most competitive ROAD ultra in the world ( up to 100k distance). Here we are talking about trail running.
Comrades is the most competitive ultra in the world. Period. Any Surface Any Distance. It might not be the cleanest though....and if you're talking about relative paces you simply can't compare a "downhill year" vs an "uphill year." Or obviously road to trail to mountain terrain for that matter....
Across the MUT (Mountain-Ultra-Trail Running) Running spectrum the next most competitive ultra these days is then the UTMB (106-miler) and probably then on World Champs years, perhaps the World Long Distance challenge (80km-100km) maybe instead.
Then the World 100km Road Champs. Then Western States 100 imo.
After that you have all other ultras. For trails in general more competitive races are actually often "sub ultra" (Sierre-Zinal, Zegama, World Mountain Running Champs, Golden Trail Series Races, etc).
Then you have races like OCC and CCC and other UTMB world wide series events.
Objectively on paper, I just wouldn't put too much stock in Molly's Bandera 50km result at this time. It can certainly be seen as a good experience and "long and hard training run." But keep in mind that the Women's CR at Black Canyon on the new course (61.5 miles maybe 62) is 8:16. Black Canyon is net downhill, but still has over 5000' of climb and a few little "techy sections" with some punchy hills like Bandera. It's mostly smooth and runnable, but it can be a bit on the warmer side later in the morning and going into the afternoon (like 70s and sunny) depending on the year.
And she'll be going against runners like Anne Flower who just ran a 5:18 for 50-miles at Tunnel Hill (flat, road-like course).
It's a 50k in January. It's not a big deal that she "shattered" the course record. Also, it's a trail race and conditions matter and somebody mentioned that the course changed a couple of times.
Molly thinks far too highly of herself. Let the light dim out, it'll be okay missy.
...and you take shots at successful people from an unregistered username. Why not do better?
It's a 50k in January. It's not a big deal that she "shattered" the course record. Also, it's a trail race and conditions matter and somebody mentioned that the course changed a couple of times.
Classic response with the 1st post being pure hate. It's good to see her running & hopefully enjoying herself. She has a bronze medal & has nothing to prove. It's actually going to be pretty fun to see someone with her credentials mix it up with trail specialists at bigger races to see how she does. If you can't find some fun in that then rethink why that is.
It looks like the guy she beat is a 2:5x marathoner who went for 2:40s last year but lost it in a hot race so it's hard to place Seidel's result. Maybe a 2:30s/40s road marathon kind of effort. Will be interesting to watch her double the distance.
You road runners crack me up with all these conversions. A trail race is a trail race…
Comrades is the most competitive ROAD ultra in the world ( up to 100k distance). Here we are talking about trail running.
Comrades is the most competitive ultra in the world. Period. Any Surface Any Distance. It might not be the cleanest though....and if you're talking about relative paces you simply can't compare a "downhill year" vs an "uphill year." Or obviously road to trail to mountain terrain for that matter....
Across the MUT (Mountain-Ultra-Trail Running) Running spectrum the next most competitive ultra these days is then the UTMB (106-miler) and probably then on World Champs years, perhaps the World Long Distance challenge (80km-100km) maybe instead.
Then the World 100km Road Champs. Then Western States 100 imo.
After that you have all other ultras. For trails in general more competitive races are actually often "sub ultra" (Sierre-Zinal, Zegama, World Mountain Running Champs, Golden Trail Series Races, etc).
Then you have races like OCC and CCC and other UTMB world wide series events.
Objectively on paper, I just wouldn't put too much stock in Molly's Bandera 50km result at this time. It can certainly be seen as a good experience and "long and hard training run." But keep in mind that the Women's CR at Black Canyon on the new course (61.5 miles maybe 62) is 8:16. Black Canyon is net downhill, but still has over 5000' of climb and a few little "techy sections" with some punchy hills like Bandera. It's mostly smooth and runnable, but it can be a bit on the warmer side later in the morning and going into the afternoon (like 70s and sunny) depending on the year.
And she'll be going against runners like Anne Flower who just ran a 5:18 for 50-miles at Tunnel Hill (flat, road-like course).
What are most competitive in USA? She should definitely do pikes peak
When you see a woman winning a 50k outright you have to wonder really how competitive are these events! The ladies Comrades winner runs a faster average pace over the Comrades than the world 50 mile record and a similar pace to the 6:33 100km world record. I would suggest any ultra runner who thinks they are good should sign up for the Comrades see how they get on against 24000 runners and try for the 100k plus prize money.
Women winning ultras outright happens more often than you might think. Certainly not every day, but more often than most people would probably guess.
Saw Molly win four Wisconsin state cross-country meets and a bunch of invitationals in SE WI when she was in high school. All her races were solo romps very similar to Craig Virgin's high school cross-country races, the couple I was able to witness in Peoria in 72 and 73. Some of her course record times were quite sick, like they were typos, almost. Really great Molly still buzzes off running and is finding new ways to challenge herself years later.