1 Josh Hoey USA 3:55.1 2 Hobbs Kessler USA 3:56.6 3 Yared Nuguse USA 3:57.5 4 Festus Lagat KEN 3:58.1 5 Geordie Beamish AUS 3:58.4 6 Nico Young USA 3:58.6 7 Vince Ciattei USA 3:58.6 8 Donavan Brazier USA 3:59.1 9 Oliver Hoare AUS 3:59.7
Geordie Beamish is Not from Australia. He's a Kiwi.
He is clearly going to crash hard at some point in the near future. I doubt he even can sustain until World Indoors. Even if his dad’s money has bought him some kind of miracle recovery drug, there is still no way that anyone can sustain a daily qualitative training program for as long as he has without the body breaking down at some point. He is going to end up as one of the more curious interest cases in running history of having incredible talent and nearly unlimited resources, but as someone too stubborn to listen to his coaches, and adamant about doing things his own way. When the inevitable fall from grace happens, he will have absolutely nobody to blame but himself.
He is clearly going to crash hard at some point in the near future. I doubt he even can sustain until World Indoors. Even if his dad’s money has bought him some kind of miracle recovery drug, there is still no way that anyone can sustain a daily qualitative training program for as long as he has without the body breaking down at some point. He is going to end up as one of the more curious interest cases in running history of having incredible talent and nearly unlimited resources, but as someone too stubborn to listen to his coaches, and adamant about doing things his own way. When the inevitable fall from grace happens, he will have absolutely nobody to blame but himself.
What’s with all the melodrama and judgment? “Fall from grace?” Jesus, dude, put a lid on it.
Did it occur to you that he might be coming from a place of extreme honesty? He’s built a big engine and he wants to make it go as fast as he can.
nothing more than a mid level workout for the top tier runners...Hoey is either foolish or getting terrible advice which he is following...training/running races all year is best way to shorten your career...one would think after last year he would realize this...but...
Uh this might be a hard pill for " some people" in this forum to understand. He is better than them! lol. Everybody,especially high school phenoms should ask his advice on training, resilence because he's getting it right
Ask everyone except Hoey, and I bet many of them would have been honest in recycling the tried and true method of dodging an early season loss: "we've barely touched speed work yet".
For good reason...
I'm puzzled by Hoey's race schedule/choices/changes this season; it'll be interesting to see how it plays out, and what he chooses to do if it doesn't go well.
Worried about Hoey's burnout. He should take a couple weeks off, focus on the indoor 800 and 1000 WRs (hopefully possible in just one attempt for each), crush indoor Nats, and then lay low until outdoors.
nothing more than a mid level workout for the top tier runners...Hoey is either foolish or getting terrible advice which he is following...training/running races all year is best way to shorten your career...one would think after last year he would realize this...but...
How do we know that he is even thinking about trying to have a long career?
Most pro athletes want a long career partially to maximize their lifetime earnings. Hoey probably is not concerned about that.
Maybe he is trying to maximize his lifetime ability right now. Push things and run as fast as possible/win races/set records asap. Strike now while the iron is hot.
He went through years and years of struggle with little to no improvement. So maybe he is thinking it is better to burn out trying to be the best he can be now than to fade away after a long career.
nothing more than a mid level workout for the top tier runners...Hoey is either foolish or getting terrible advice which he is following...training/running races all year is best way to shorten your career...one would think after last year he would realize this...but...
How do we know that he is even thinking about trying to have a long career?
Most pro athletes want a long career partially to maximize their lifetime earnings. Hoey probably is not concerned about that.
Maybe he is trying to maximize his lifetime ability right now. Push things and run as fast as possible/win races/set records asap. Strike now while the iron is hot.
He went through years and years of struggle with little to no improvement. So maybe he is thinking it is better to burn out trying to be the best he can be now than to fade away after a long career.
More interesting would be Brazier’s stack - going from sitting on the couch to a PR 1:42.16 with “…only five months training,” is beyond anything ever seen before. But apparently he had some physical attributes that allow him to avoid scrutiny.
He is on track to repeat as world champion in the 800m at the indoor World Championships in late March. I don’t understand why everyone is concerned or outraged by his two recent races. He is in a great position right now. What is the weird obsession with being in shape for entire calendar year? In case you forgot, this is not an outdoor world championship year (ultimate championship is not the same thing).
I think Hoey was definitely attempting a 2nd World Record within a week, but unfortunately, to me it appears the requested pacing for the Road Mile fell woefully short.
The men were way over what was requested for the 800m mark, correct? The woman pacer dropped out way before the 800m turnaround to let Sinclaire Johnson do her thing. As fit as Hoey is, he probably needed to get out faster fo...
I know it’s December so not everyone’s in their best fitness, but how is he destroying Kessler, Nuguse, and Beamish in a mile just a week after setting a 600m world record?
Because those other guys learnt from last season that being in race fitness 10 months of the year isn't a smart thing.
Josh Hoey just parted ways with his coach and one of the primary drivers of that decision was his coach wanting to dial back on the year-round intensity.
I think that should explain why and how Hoey ran sub 73 for 600m last week and beat those guys today.
Can someone explain what is going on w/ Ollie Hoare? He said on last week's pod that he was in really great shape and was going to go after the WR (!!!!) possibly with Yared and George (who was also in this race and is always the most seasonable of the trio) audibly guffawed. Of course, Hoare was not only almost 10 seconds away from 3:51 low, he was also DFL.
My take on Ollie is he ran a tactically poor race, lagged behind at the start, sitting at the back of the pack, on the back foot at the turn (the turnaround impacts runners at the back more as they absorb the incremental slow down of those in front), and then got caught up with the female runners at the finish line, which was fairly congested. He was never part of the race at the front, and therefore not in a position to test his fitness properly. He may not be as fit as Hoey right now, but I think he is fitter than 3:59.
I've said this before here, I don't understand why these OAC athletes - like Ollie Hoare - don't work together as a team, or at least shadow their team mates. Ollie only has to follow Nuguse to have a guided tour from one of the best runners in the world.
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Because those other guys learnt from last season that being in race fitness 10 months of the year isn't a smart thing.
Josh Hoey just parted ways with his coach and one of the primary drivers of that decision was his coach wanting to dial back on the year-round intensity.
I think that should explain why and how Hoey ran sub 73 for 600m last week and beat those guys today.
Learnt? Wtf is that?
Ummmm, it's called English. What the fruck is Wtf?
More interesting would be Brazier’s stack - going from sitting on the couch to a PR 1:42.16 with “…only five months training,” is beyond anything ever seen before. But apparently he had some physical attributes that allow him to avoid scrutiny.
bicarb is 1.5 seconds. in the 8
so people are actuall running 143 144...
and with the shoes and track, 144 145.
throw in peds, you will have 139 off a legit 143 guy.
More interesting would be Brazier’s stack - going from sitting on the couch to a PR 1:42.16 with “…only five months training,” is beyond anything ever seen before. But apparently he had some physical attributes that allow him to avoid scrutiny.
bicarb is 1.5 seconds. in the 8
so people are actuall running 143 144...
and with the shoes and track, 144 145.
throw in peds, you will have 139 off a legit 143 guy.