When did KT go from the bell of the ball to being made fun of for everything she does? She was there, didnt have to be, no doubt helped pump up the troops. Good on her.
astro and fastuohy
and semihaze.
*I didn't read the last page. Hilarious so many people immediately said the same thing
*I didn't read the last page. Hilarious so many people immediately said the same thing
I remember the good old days. Almost every post was properly titled “is update”, people came to admit “the stars are shining so bright that we all need to wear shades in the room”.
They are an example of why people need to be clear about what they are complaining about. Are you mad about foreigners completely, or are you mad about 25 year old semi-pro runners coming over as freshmen?
NC State didn't buy any ready made 25 year old semi-pro's. They don't have any runners from countries with doping issues. What is the issue with them?
let me make it crystal clear.
there is no issue with NC State, or any team, that uses foreign White people.
the issue everyone has on this web site is with the Black foreigners.
people here have a shocking fear of the Black race.
They are an example of why people need to be clear about what they are complaining about. Are you mad about foreigners completely, or are you mad about 25 year old semi-pro runners coming over as freshmen?
NC State didn't buy any ready made 25 year old semi-pro's. They don't have any runners from countries with doping issues. What is the issue with them?
let me make it crystal clear.
there is no issue with NC State, or any team, that uses foreign White people.
the issue everyone has on this web site is with the Black foreigners.
people here have a shocking fear of the Black race.
Sorry, but you're wrong. I would have the same issue if a school fielded an entire team of white runners from other countries. We don't need to say "no black runners from Kenya," but let's put some limits on the numbers.
Don't try to conflate racism with all of this. It's not a good look for you.
there is no issue with NC State, or any team, that uses foreign White people.
the issue everyone has on this web site is with the Black foreigners.
people here have a shocking fear of the Black race.
Sorry, but you're wrong. I would have the same issue if a school fielded an entire team of white runners from other countries. We don't need to say "no black runners from Kenya," but let's put some limits on the numbers.
Don't try to conflate racism with all of this. It's not a good look for you.
NZL: Gapes came in as an 18-year old with PR's of 4:26 (1500) & 9:34 (3k). DNC in 2022, 73rd NCAA in 2023, 8th in 2024, 5th in 2025. Turns 22 this week.
FRA: Templier started at Portland in 2023 as an 18-year old with PRs of 4:23 & 9:20. Finished 19th & 11th in the West region and had PR's of 8:56/16:10 before transferring to NC State this summer. Turns 21 in April.
ESP: Martinez ran 9:14 3k and 6:30 2k steeple as a 16-year old in 2022. Came to NC State fall 2024, but apparently did not race at all in Spain or US in 2024 or track 2025. Ran NC State's three "local" (non-flight) meets this fall, with a 21:39 6k best.
CAN: Dow started this fall as 18-year old with PR's of 4:18 (from 2023) and 9:54, and has not yet raced in college.
(They also have Phoebe Anderson from the UK who grad-transferred from Columbia this year but did not have XC eligibility.)
So all those women (other than Anderson, who was 19 when she started at Columbia) started college in the U.S. at age 18. None had "all-American" level, much less pro-level, marks before college. Two came from English-speaking countries with marks that would make them good but not great US recruits - one has turned into superstar over three years, one has been on campus three months. One transferred after two years at a lower-level D1 program with results that suggest that she could contribute but was not a certain all-American. Martinez is the real outlier - no prior schooling in an English-speaking country, and prior results like a phenom who wins nationals as a Fr/So and then tails off later in HS.
I have zero knowledge of this but they all profile like people who reached out to NC State and said "I want to run for you." I really doubt Laurie Henes came home from her first NCAA title, with Tuohy, Chmiel, and Bush having multiple years of eligibility remaining, and said "let me cold-call a girl in New Zealand who would rank 47th in the mile in the US." Although if she did - brilliant! That call turned into a two-time NCAA top 10 finisher.
This was the first of the NC State championships with an international athlete scoring for them (Gapes was sixth runner in 2023.) It's also the first without a transfer earning all-America honors (Hayes & Steelman in 2021, Mareno in 2022, and Tyynismaa in 2023, though Mareno had been at NC State for five years after a year at Stanford.) It's the first championship with no grad/Covid 5th-6th year athletes - none of the scorers were over 21 and two are teenagers.
To the racists that claim they are not racists, they don't count those because they are not black.
All the b!tching and moaning isn't really about foreigners, it's about Africans.
No you have a meter that measures who gets the most out of their athletes? Do you know whobis trying the hardest? Seems like some of the schoools finishing off of the podium did it with high school girls who ran 5 minutes in the mile. BYU is way higher than NC State in terms of development.
BYU has more improvement under Taylor than NC Srate under Henes. Even more evident following them into pro ranks.
This is true when you look at where the programs were prior to both of their arrivals and where the programs are now.
In the ten seasons prior to Henes's arrival, NC State qualified for 10 NCAA Championships with an average place of 12.0 and two top-10 finishes (2nd and 6th). They had a streak of 11 consecutive NCAA championships berths and had made it 23 out of 25 years. The only years they missed, the field was much smaller (22 in 1994 and 16 in 1986). In the first 10 years under Henes, NC State qualified for only 6 NCAA Championships (field size was 31 teams every year) with an average place of 19.33 with bests of 5th and 16th.
In the ten seasons prior to Taylor's arrival, BYU qualified for only 6 NCAA Championships with an average place of 24.17 and a best finish of 19th. In the first 10 years under Taylor, BYU qualified for 10 NCAA Championships with an average place of 5.8 and best finishes of 1st, 1st, 2nd, 2nd, 2nd, and 7th (eight top-10s).
Henes was handed one of the premier programs in the nation and it went the wrong direction (did not crack the top-15 even once in the first nine seasons). Taylor was handed a program that hadn't done anything in a decade and turned it around (worst finish of 14th in her 10 seasons). NC State inexplicably came out of nowhere in 2015 after a decade of floundering under the same coach with presumably the same training plan and the same recruiting techniques.
