Read what I wrote. I very specifically wrote "closed a version of the Michigan workout" as that is what my buddy's text said. Neither the text nor my post said they ran it exactly the way Warhurst's guys ran it. They may have but I don't know that to be true.
So please dont be that guy.
Then it isn't a "Michigan". Call it a Utah or BYU if you want. If someone wants to do it differently, then so be it, but it isn't a "version". Besides the Michigan is copyrighted/patented so only that specific version can be allowed to be called the "Michigan".
Are you using "copyrighted" and "patented" as synonyms?
I heard this weeks ago. Friend was there. Said her 400 was about 60 flat
How fast is Faith Kipyegon?
From ChatGPT:
Good call — here’s a thorough cross-country comparison between Jane Hedengren and Faith Kipyegon, looking at background, performances, strengths, and how they might match up in XC. (Note: because their careers are very different — Hedengren is just starting in collegiate XC, while Kipyegon is a global elite — the comparison is somewhat “apples and oranges,” but I’ll break it down.) Background & XC Experience Jane Hedengren Freshman (as of 2025) at BYU, running for their cross-country team. (BYU Athletics) High-school standout: she was the Gatorade National Girls Cross Country Player of the Year. (BYU Athletics) In her collegiate debut at the Pre-National Invitational, she ran 6,000 m in 18:42.30, setting a course record. (BYU Athletics) At the 2025 Big 12 XC Championship, she ran 18:29.60 for 6K — which was a Big 12 championship record. (Deseret News) At the 2025 NCAA Mountain Regional, she won with 19:06.60 over 6K, ~42 seconds ahead of second. (BYU Athletics) Faith Kipyegon International pedigree: ran cross country in her youth and junior career for Kenya. (Athletics Weekly) Junior world champion in XC: she won the 2011 IAAF World Cross Country (junior, 6 km) in 18:53. (Wikipedia) She also won again in the 2013 IAAF World Cross Country (junior, 6 km) in 17:51. (Wikipedia) As a senior, she has competed in cross country events: for example, Sirikwa Classic (10 km) — in 2023, she won; in 2025, she dropped out before finishing. (worldathletics.org) According to profiles, XC has been part of her training system: Athletics Weekly noted cross country helps her build “quality mileage” in the off-season. (Athletics Weekly) Performance & Strengths in XC Hedengren’s Strengths (in XC) Early Dominance at Collegiate Level Despite being a freshman, she’s already leading races and winning major meets (Big 12, regionals). (Deseret News) Her Big 12 time (18:29.6) is very fast for college women’s 6K. (Deseret News) Consistency & Potential In only a few races, she’s shown she can run both aggressive (Pre-National) and tactical (regional) XC. As a young athlete, she has huge room for development in strength, endurance, and racing experience. Team Impact Her wins help her team (BYU) greatly — she’s not just running for herself but contributing to team titles. (BYU Athletics) Her performance underlines that she’s not just a track specialist; she’s clearly very capable on varied terrain. Kipyegon’s Strengths (in XC) Elite-Level Experience She’s raced in world-class cross country events, including junior world championships, which means she has big-race experience. (Wikipedia) Her success in junior XC shows she was not just a track runner but had XC as part of her foundation. High-End Endurance + Speed As a world-class 1500m and 5000m runner, she combines speed and aerobic capacity in a way that is very advantageous in cross country. Her coach/training philosophy (per Athletics Weekly) uses XC as a way to build mileage and strength which translate to her speed events. (Athletics Weekly) Proven Performance in Senior XC She won the Sirikwa Classic (10 km) in 2023 in difficult conditions, demonstrating she can handle long XC races. (worldathletics.org) However, her DNF in the 2025 Sirikwa Classic (per local reports) shows that XC isn’t always her focus, or that she may prioritize other goals. (Kenyans) How They Compare — Head-to-Head in XC (if They Raced) If Hedengren and Kipyegon were to race cross country head-to-head, here’s how the strengths might play out, plus scenarios where one might have the edge: FactorHedengrenKipyegonCurrent XC Fitness Very high in collegiate XC; racing frequently, very motivated Less frequent in XC lately; major focus on track, though still very capable Race Sharpness / Tactics Probably strong in collegiate tactical racing; good at leading Extremely experienced at high-stakes racing, but possibly less focused on XC race tactics as a senior Speed + Kick Good speed, but more development needed; likely has a strong finishing kick in college fields Elite track speed (middle-distance), which gives her a huge advantage in the final kilometers or sprint to finish Endurance Good for collegiate 6K; may need more development for very long XC (10K or varied terrain) High endurance from long-track training; has proven in 10km XC; strong at managing tough terrain in her home races Mental / Competitive Edge Fresh and hungry; not yet burdened by professional expectations Very experienced; used to pressure, big crowds, and being chased; likely very composed Likely Outcome: On a 6K collegiate-style XC course, Hedengren might be very competitive, but Kipyegon would likely win if she raced at her full strength because of her elite kick and endurance. On a longer or more brutal XC course (10K or very hilly), Kipyegon’s experience and endurance could give her an even bigger edge — unless Hedengren’s development and racing plan is heavily XC-focused. Risks & Uncertainties in the Comparison Limited Overlap: They are at very different stages. Hedengren is early in her XC career; Kipyegon is a seasoned pro whose main focus is track. Race Priorities: Kipyegon may not always prioritize cross country, especially for high-profile XC meets. Her DNF in the 2025 Sirikwa Classic suggests that. (SportPesa Blog) Course Differences: XC courses vary a lot (terrain, altitude, weather). A fast, flat college 6K is very different from a challenging senior-level 10K in Kenya. Injury / Training Load: As Hedengren develops, her training load will increase; how she adapts will affect XC potential. Meanwhile, Kipyegon may manage her XC racing around major track seasons. Conclusion Faith Kipyegon has more cross country experience (especially at the international level) and the endurance + speed mix that gives her a big edge in XC, especially in long or elite senior races. Jane Hedengren is very strong in collegiate cross country, already showing top-level performances as a freshman, and has huge potential to grow into an XC star if she continues developing. In a cross-country race, Kipyegon would most likely be the favorite, but Hedengren is certainly someone who could challenge her — especially in a shorter, college-style race — as her career progresses. If you like, I can run a projected “what if” race simulation based on their current XC performances (times, terrain, splits) — do you want me to do that?
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Read what I wrote. I very specifically wrote "closed a version of the Michigan workout" as that is what my buddy's text said. Neither the text nor my post said they ran it exactly the way Warhurst's guys ran it. They may have but I don't know that to be true.
So please dont be that guy.
Idk why everyone is downvoting when Lexi literally did something similar prior to making the world team or was it right before usas. She ran 4:27 right? Lexi only beat Jane at Bryan clay by 4-5 seconds. Janes a better miler and somehow you guys don’t think she could do something similar?
Or basically John didn’t know what he had been doing with Jane. Taylor discovered that Jane could improve more by running less. Totally against common sense, but that’s why they have been successful. With Valby and Jane, a new era of training is upon us before everyone even realizes it.
Absurd to think the person that got her to her high school level didn't know what he was doing. He seems to be replicating it well with Susan too. The fact that Jane has continued to progress in her freshman xc season means he kept things under control and handed her off with a lot left in the tank. He's already helped her be in a better position than most high school phenoms we've seen before.
Hedengren left absolutely nothing on the table last spring and obviously did enough training to get there. How, in addition to that, did her father keep things under control and hand her off with a lot left in the tank? If true, he’s reached a level that makes Brosnan look like a middle school coach.
Read what I wrote. I very specifically wrote "closed a version of the Michigan workout" as that is what my buddy's text said. Neither the text nor my post said they ran it exactly the way Warhurst's guys ran it. They may have but I don't know that to be true.
So please dont be that guy.
Idk why everyone is downvoting when Lexi literally did something similar prior to making the world team or was it right before usas. She ran 4:27 right? Lexi only beat Jane at Bryan clay by 4-5 seconds. Janes a better miler and somehow you guys don’t think she could do something similar?
I think that most are getting hung up on the OP saying Michigan workout. She most likely did not run a Michigan workout. It sounds like instead she may have run a hard 1600m as a part of some workout. That seems very plausible.
Read what I wrote. I very specifically wrote "closed a version of the Michigan workout" as that is what my buddy's text said. Neither the text nor my post said they ran it exactly the way Warhurst's guys ran it. They may have but I don't know that to be true.
So please dont be that guy.
Idk why everyone is downvoting when Lexi literally did something similar prior to making the world team or was it right before usas. She ran 4:27 right? Lexi only beat Jane at Bryan clay by 4-5 seconds. Janes a better miler and somehow you guys don’t think she could do something similar?
someone has to put a leash on that one before she gets hurt.
I hate to agree with Astro but this is Shelby / Katir progression level. Even at 19 I don’t buy it at all
You don't think that big jumps from 18 to 19 are normal?
I know the Hedengren family personally. I'm on record on these boards as being pretty f***ing jaded when it comes to doping, so I'm not going to sit here and say it's impossible. But of all the elite runners in the world, Jane Hedengren doping would shock me the most.
Really odd reading through 75% of these posts, which seem to have descended into men trying to gain dominance over a thread about a 19-year-old generationally talented woman. It's actually either or both sad and scary.
I hate to agree with Astro but this is Shelby / Katir progression level. Even at 19 I don’t buy it at all
You don't think that big jumps from 18 to 19 are normal?
I know the Hedengren family personally. I'm on record on these boards as being pretty f***ing jaded when it comes to doping, so I'm not going to sit here and say it's impossible. But of all the elite runners in the world, Jane Hedengren doping would shock me the most.
I’m a cynic and all I see is a talented athlete, who probably doesn’t drink or party and was born at altitude, now with the top program in the country doing pretty special things.