Vigorish wrote:
This is why Christians don't go to Las Vegas and engage in games of chance.
The will go to their local Indian Casino to engage in games of chance
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Sally Vix wrote:
I don't think Rose ever bet on a Reds game. A convicted murderer like Rae Carruth has a better chance of being associated with MLB than a convicted sports bettor. You can never come back from being a sports bettor.
But new documents obtained by Outside the Lines indicate Rose bet extensively on baseball -- and on the Cincinnati Reds -- as he racked up the last hits of a record-smashing career in 1986.
•In the time covered in the notebook, from March through July, Rose bet on at least one MLB team on 30 different days. It's impossible to count the exact number of times he bet on baseball games because not every day's entries are legible.
• But on 21 of the days it's clear he bet on baseball, he gambled on the Reds, including on games in which he played.50 -
rojo wrote:
Le Grande Orange wrote:
So on brand for this administration. As opposed to, say, investigating insider trading in Congress - on both sides of the aisle - with anything approaching the vigor that they are doubtlessly bringing to this investigation
He's living rent-free in your head, isn't he?
You do realize most of the people at the FBI are career law enforcement. The game that drew everyone's attention happened in 2023 - when Biden was president. This case is years in the making.
Yes the years that these investigations were going on were during Brandon's administration. Watch tRump take the credit for this.
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Just Another Hobby Jogger wrote:
Sally Vix wrote:
I don't think Rose ever bet on a Reds game. A convicted murderer like Rae Carruth has a better chance of being associated with MLB than a convicted sports bettor. You can never come back from being a sports bettor.
But new documents obtained by Outside the Lines indicate Rose bet extensively on baseball -- and on the Cincinnati Reds -- as he racked up the last hits of a record-smashing career in 1986.
•In the time covered in the notebook, from March through July, Rose bet on at least one MLB team on 30 different days. It's impossible to count the exact number of times he bet on baseball games because not every day's entries are legible.
• But on 21 of the days it's clear he bet on baseball, he gambled on the Reds, including on games in which he played.There was no evidence that he ever bet AGAINST them...Big difference. If he's betting for the reds to win, he's not throwing games.
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Four different crime families are involved in this case. My guess is that Billups is a degenerate gambler who went in debt to the mafia. The amount he was being paid for the poker game seems like chump change... not worth getting kicked out of the hall of fame and never working in the NBA again.
But if he was in trouble with the mafia, he might do almost anything to get out.
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it goes deeper than people realize
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Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:
Yeah for now Billups isn't implicated in anything directly NBA related, but he was basically a hack for the mafia which has been known to dabble in sports betting every now and then over the course of history. It's hard to believe that if he was willing to do this for them with respect to poker, that there isn't a strong possibility it extended into "other" things.
Which is why NBA rules around anything gambling related for players/coaches etc are so strict - even if comically it's now the other way around with the public because you know, they make more and more money off that too.
And now Billups has been implicated in NBA related conduct. His coaching career just ended.
”Also, though Billups was not named in the sports betting indictment, the description of a co-conspirator who allegedly told a bettor that a number of Trail Blazers players would miss a March 2023 game had a playing and coaching career that matches Billups.”
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Not long ago, Vegas had the most churches per capita of any major U.S. city.
Not sure if they count "chapels of love", but there are several Catholic parishes and Mormon stakes in the Valley.
On one drive down East Fremont, I saw several storefront churches.
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Le Grande Orange wrote:
So on brand for this administration. As opposed to, say, investigating insider trading in Congress - on both sides of the aisle - with anything approaching the vigor that they are doubtlessly bringing to this investigation
insider trading by congress isn't illegal...so how would they go after that. Every time a bill comes up to make it illegal it gets defeated. You got a lot of upvotes but all that proves is people don't know the law.
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zirrrp wrote:
it goes deeper than people realize
Chauncey Billups is such a f*cking boss.
Love that guy.
However, Terry R. can go f*ck himself.
Thanks,
David Christ
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David Christ wrote:
zirrrp wrote:
it goes deeper than people realize
Chauncey Billups is such a f*cking boss.
Love that guy.
However, Terry R. can go f*ck himself.
Thanks,
David Christ
Rozier is in the middle of a 4 yr / 90 million contract where all he has to do is show up, play a kids game, and spend a little time making public appearances (press conferences, etc). lol
i wonder how much debt rozier/billups/jones have to even think this is a good idea.
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One area of the so called pandemic that does not get a lot of attention is organized crime exploiting and profiting from all aspects of Covid-19 - and why not ? The whole effing thing was built on government fraud and corporate bloodsucking. Easy to jump on the bandwagon when you look like just another passenger.
********Organized groups of individuals working together have defrauded public programs, as was evident during the COVID-19 pandemic. Although the full extent of pandemic relief fraud is not known, estimates from some of the largest pandemic relief programs put losses around $300 billion.
According to GAO’s analysis of Department of Justice public statements and court documentation from March 2020 through December 2024, 46 percent of the 1,875 defendants convicted of pandemic-fraud-related offenses with final charges recorded had conspiracy charges, suggesting involvement of an organized group.
Organized fraud groups that target government programs generally fall into three types and vary in size, structure, and participants. The types are (1) organized criminal enterprises, (2) groups organized around a program, and (3) opportunistically organized groups.
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Le Grande Orange wrote:
So on brand for this administration. As opposed to, say, investigating insider trading in Congress - on both sides of the aisle - with anything approaching the vigor that they are doubtlessly bringing to this investigation
as others have said not illegal for congress no matter the administration
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Lmao this guy couldn’t have made it more believable?
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OED wrote:
Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:
Yeah for now Billups isn't implicated in anything directly NBA related, but he was basically a hack for the mafia which has been known to dabble in sports betting every now and then over the course of history. It's hard to believe that if he was willing to do this for them with respect to poker, that there isn't a strong possibility it extended into "other" things.
Which is why NBA rules around anything gambling related for players/coaches etc are so strict - even if comically it's now the other way around with the public because you know, they make more and more money off that too.
And now Billups has been implicated in NBA related conduct. His coaching career just ended.
”Also, though Billups was not named in the sports betting indictment, the description of a co-conspirator who allegedly told a bettor that a number of Trail Blazers players would miss a March 2023 game had a playing and coaching career that matches Billups.”
There you go, just as hypothesized.
Unbelievable. That guy was making 5 million bucks a season to be absolute s--t at his job, and now he's lost that forever. But the good news is now he can be on one of the ex-player podcasts telling all the cool stories and using inappropriate words. Nice.
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Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:
OED wrote:
And now Billups has been implicated in NBA related conduct. His coaching career just ended.
”Also, though Billups was not named in the sports betting indictment, the description of a co-conspirator who allegedly told a bettor that a number of Trail Blazers players would miss a March 2023 game had a playing and coaching career that matches Billups.”
There you go, just as hypothesized.
Unbelievable. That guy was making 5 million bucks a season to be absolute s--t at his job, and now he's lost that forever. But the good news is now he can be on one of the ex-player podcasts telling all the cool stories and using inappropriate words. Nice.
This may get very very bad for the NBA. My dad was on the Board of Trustees at BC in the late 70s and that scandal got very bad for the school. This could be much worse.
Billups will never coach again in the league.
Rozier will never play again in the league.
More to follow.
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Sally Vix wrote:
poker wrote:
Billups might be fine - he's rich and a first time "offender". Also just played in an illegal poker ring, not any sports betting stuff. Rozier might be f*cked
Rozier is done permanently. He will never be associated with the NBA again. Billups may or may not have been involved in sports betting. If he has been involved in sports betting, he too will never be associated with the NBA again. Likely they are both done with the NBA forever.
Are we really trusting anything that THIS FBI finds?
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Sally Vix wrote:
Salvitore Stitchmo wrote:
There you go, just as hypothesized.
Unbelievable. That guy was making 5 million bucks a season to be absolute s--t at his job, and now he's lost that forever. But the good news is now he can be on one of the ex-player podcasts telling all the cool stories and using inappropriate words. Nice.
This may get very very bad for the NBA. My dad was on the Board of Trustees at BC in the late 70s and that scandal got very bad for the school. This could be much worse.
Billups will never coach again in the league.
Rozier will never play again in the league.
More to follow.
Yeah if you listen to the Zach Lowe podcast on spotify he devotes the first 25 or so min to this and basically implies this is part of a much bigger conspiracy than just Rozier wanting to give his homies a heads up to win a few prop bets.
It's going to be really bad for the league.
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