The new over the hill runner’s regimen includes: testosterone, beta alanine, coq10, beet juice, steak, EPO, GLP-1, statins, bicarb, vitamin D, omega-3, antidepressants. Sounds healthy.
If you are subject to "food noise," you have a mental health issue.
Ouch! a little harsh there, lolyer!
I'm guessing that "food noise" just means cravings for food. Well, there is overwhelming evidence that certain foods don't even register in the brain as food, instead they register in the brain as addictive substances.* fMRI imaging shows that these foods "light up" addictive pathways in brain, making process food addiction (PFA) more like substance use disorder (SUD). People lose their reasoning skills and consume more than they mean to. Plus, it's not just overweight or obese that suffer from processed food addiction; many thin or normal-weight people are also addicted (aka, they will suffer "withdrawal" from sugar, caffeine, processed fats, etc.)
The seven categories of foods that are shown to be addictive are: sweeteners (sugar, high fructose corn syrup, etc), flour/gluten, excessive salt, processed fats, dairy**, caffeine, and food additives. 73% of the grocery store contains these substances.
The symptoms of food addiction are: (if you have more than 2 symptoms, you have a mild addiction. more than 6 = severe addiction)
i. Processed foods are consumed in larger amounts or over a longer period than was intended. ii. There is a persistent desire or unsuccessful efforts to cut down or control processed food consumption.
iii. A great deal of time is spent in activities necessary to obtain processed foods, consume processed foods, or recover from their effects.
iv. Craving, or a strong desire or urge to consume processed foods.
v. Recurrent processed food consumption resulting in a failure to fulfill major role obligations at work, school, or home.
vi. Continued processed food consumption despite having persistent or recurrent social or interpersonal problems caused or exacerbated by the effects of processed foods.
vii. Important social, occupational, or recreational activities are given up or reduced because of processed food consumption.
viii. Recurrent processed food consumption in situations in which it is physically hazardous.(i.e., driving)
ix. Processed food consumption is continued despite knowledge of having a persistent or recurrent physical or psychological problem that is likely to have been caused or exacerbated by processed foods.
x. Tolerance
xi. Withdrawal.
"Food addiction" is kind of a misnomer since not all food is addictive. ("Processed Food addiction" is better, but still not perfect b/c some foods can be processed and are still not addictive, i.e., ground beef) Plus, one can't be addicted to something that is necessary to sustain life. For example, you wouldn't call someone an "oxygen addict." Alcohol addiction (aka, a "drinking problem") isn't about having a problems with liquids.
*These foods have many names: processed, ultraprocessed, calorie-dense, energy-dense, hedonic, high-fat/high-sugar, palatable, refined, cafeteria, grocery, or junk foods.
**Dairy is controversial b/c while dairy is highly nutritious, it contains casomorphins that are addictive. I.e. some people can not control themselves around cheese or other dairy. Butter and/or ghee is not addictive b/c it is 100% fat and the casomorphins are only found in the milk proteins. I personally know several people who are borderline underweight, and dairy helps them maintain their weight.
All that to say - I don't think Ozempic, Wegovy, Tirzepatide, et all help people with the underlying issue, which is addiction to processed food/junk food. After they go off the medication, they still will have the same issue, only they will be in a worse place metabolically b/c they will have lost muscle mass.
Also, I think they're being broadly overprescribed.
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clarification. I originally just wrote "sugar" but I also should mention HFCS, etc. So I wrote "sweeteners" instead
"all that to say - I don't think Ozempic, Wegovy, Tirzepatide, et all help people with the underlying issue, which is addiction to processed food/junk food. After they go off the medication, they still will have the same issue, only they will be in a worse place metabolically b/c they will have lost muscle mass."
I can't speak for others but I ate very little processed food before I began a glp-1 and I eat none now. And I don't think I'm losing any muscle mass.
It’s funny we have all these anti-covid vaccine threads but GLPs - oh they’re ok! Both are relatively new and have side effects. My sis is a nurse and has seen people who have taken in her unit show up with pancreatitis. A handful. Not a study obviously, anecdotal.
Oprah landed in this hospital, allegedly from Ozempic abuse.
I think if you want sustained results, you have to take it long term. Too many stories about being going off it and then eating a house.
I'm 5'11, late 50s. Neither diabetic nor obese but I have been trying to lose weight for most of the last 15 years. Physically active.
I am generally skeptical of pharmaceuticals and try to avoid them whenever possible.
Nevertheless, I started microdosing Zepbound 18 days ago (dose less than 2.5 mg per week).
Starting weight: 178. BMI of 24.8.
Current weight: 168. BMI of 23.4.
Goal weight: 160. BMI of 22.3.
Some things to know before you start:
1) be prepared to use one of these drugs for the rest of your life. If you discontinue use, you will regain all the weight you lost.
2) some people experience side effects. I've had virtually none.
3) some people do not lose weight at a low dose. I have. The appetite suppression is astonishing. No more food noise. No more waking up starving in the middle of the night.
4) these drugs are expensive and your insurance may not cover them.
5) to retain lean muscle mass, eat a high protein diet and lift weights So far, I have not noticed any reduced strength in the gym.
6) can combine with intermittent fasting and/or a low carb diet for extra appetite suppression.
7) some physicians won't prescribe to patients who are neither diabetic nor obese. Mine did.
Bottom line:
I'm thrilled with Zepbound, couldn't be happier.
How physically active are you? Has that increased in the last 18 days? How much less food are you eating since you started taking the drug?
I do not know how that drug works, but losing 10 pounds in 18 days seems unsustainable and extreme. Sort of like starvation extreme combined with a huge increase in energy expenditure. Maybe similar to what contestants on the TV reality show 'Naked and Afraid' go through (very little calories in, many more calories out with large increase in activity, less water intake).
Surely a large part of that 18 lb loss must be due to dehydration and/or the drug is a diuretic.
Do you believe your caloric deficit has been about 2000 calories every day for 18 days? (either eating much less, exercising much more, or a combination of the two?). That is what it would take to lose 18 lbs. of fat.
Your BMI calculation is likely not considering water weight loss, and is not considering if you are losing fat or muscle.
I'm 5'11, late 50s. Neither diabetic nor obese but I have been trying to lose weight for most of the last 15 years. Physically active.
I am generally skeptical of pharmaceuticals and try to avoid them whenever possible.
Nevertheless, I started microdosing Zepbound 18 days ago (dose less than 2.5 mg per week).
Starting weight: 178. BMI of 24.8.
Current weight: 168. BMI of 23.4.
Goal weight: 160. BMI of 22.3.
Some things to know before you start:
1) be prepared to use one of these drugs for the rest of your life. If you discontinue use, you will regain all the weight you lost.
2) some people experience side effects. I've had virtually none.
3) some people do not lose weight at a low dose. I have. The appetite suppression is astonishing. No more food noise. No more waking up starving in the middle of the night.
4) these drugs are expensive and your insurance may not cover them.
5) to retain lean muscle mass, eat a high protein diet and lift weights So far, I have not noticed any reduced strength in the gym.
6) can combine with intermittent fasting and/or a low carb diet for extra appetite suppression.
7) some physicians won't prescribe to patients who are neither diabetic nor obese. Mine did.
Bottom line:
I'm thrilled with Zepbound, couldn't be happier.
How physically active are you? Has that increased in the last 18 days? How much less food are you eating since you started taking the drug?
I do not know how that drug works, but losing 10 pounds in 18 days seems unsustainable and extreme. Sort of like starvation extreme combined with a huge increase in energy expenditure. Maybe similar to what contestants on the TV reality show 'Naked and Afraid' go through (very little calories in, many more calories out with large increase in activity, less water intake).
Surely a large part of that 18 lb loss must be due to dehydration and/or the drug is a diuretic.
Do you believe your caloric deficit has been about 2000 calories every day for 18 days? (either eating much less, exercising much more, or a combination of the two?). That is what it would take to lose 18 lbs. of fat.
Your BMI calculation is likely not considering water weight loss, and is not considering if you are losing fat or muscle.
The first thing that goes with these GLPs is muscle. That's documented and why any doctor would tell you to up the strength training or start it.
I'm 5'11, late 50s. Neither diabetic nor obese but I have been trying to lose weight for most of the last 15 years. Physically active.
I am generally skeptical of pharmaceuticals and try to avoid them whenever possible.
Nevertheless, I started microdosing Zepbound 18 days ago (dose less than 2.5 mg per week).
Starting weight: 178. BMI of 24.8.
Current weight: 168. BMI of 23.4.
Goal weight: 160. BMI of 22.3.
Some things to know before you start:
1) be prepared to use one of these drugs for the rest of your life. If you discontinue use, you will regain all the weight you lost.
2) some people experience side effects. I've had virtually none.
3) some people do not lose weight at a low dose. I have. The appetite suppression is astonishing. No more food noise. No more waking up starving in the middle of the night.
4) these drugs are expensive and your insurance may not cover them.
5) to retain lean muscle mass, eat a high protein diet and lift weights So far, I have not noticed any reduced strength in the gym.
6) can combine with intermittent fasting and/or a low carb diet for extra appetite suppression.
7) some physicians won't prescribe to patients who are neither diabetic nor obese. Mine did.
Bottom line:
I'm thrilled with Zepbound, couldn't be happier.
I did it. Tirzepetide. 186 to 162 since Feb 22. Lifted and trained, much much better shape now! No issues
Have you tried "micro dosing" exercise and discipline? Burn more calories than you consume and you'll lose weight. Struggling with that for 15 years shows you aren't real bright or not disciplined. One or the other
The new over the hill runner’s regimen includes: testosterone, beta alanine, coq10, beet juice, steak, EPO, GLP-1, statins, bicarb, vitamin D, omega-3, antidepressants. Sounds healthy.
You’re forgetting some very good peptides other than GLP-1s… GRFs like tesamorelin, or ipamorelin + CJC1295. These Peptides promote fat loss but maintain muscle with good eating and exercise of course. I have been using tesamorelin and it’s so far helping but it takes time. I could see athletes and those who get injured easily benefitting from the Wolverine stack( TB500 + BPC-157 ) but you all should do your own research based on your goals
It’s funny we have all these anti-covid vaccine threads but GLPs - oh they’re ok! Both are relatively new and have side effects. My sis is a nurse and has seen people who have taken in her unit show up with pancreatitis. A handful. Not a study obviously, anecdotal.
Oprah landed in this hospital, allegedly from Ozempic abuse.
I think if you want sustained results, you have to take it long term. Too many stories about being going off it and then eating a house.
I'm sure there are side effects. There are tens of millions of people using these drugs, so even if only 1 percent have pancreatitis, that is 100,000+ cases of pancreatitis.
I agree on taking it long term. I am prepared to take it for the rest of my life if that's what it takes.
I'm 5'11, late 50s. Neither diabetic nor obese but I have been trying to lose weight for most of the last 15 years. Physically active.
I am generally skeptical of pharmaceuticals and try to avoid them whenever possible.
Nevertheless, I started microdosing Zepbound 18 days ago (dose less than 2.5 mg per week).
Starting weight: 178. BMI of 24.8.
Current weight: 168. BMI of 23.4.
Goal weight: 160. BMI of 22.3.
Some things to know before you start:
1) be prepared to use one of these drugs for the rest of your life. If you discontinue use, you will regain all the weight you lost.
2) some people experience side effects. I've had virtually none.
3) some people do not lose weight at a low dose. I have. The appetite suppression is astonishing. No more food noise. No more waking up starving in the middle of the night.
4) these drugs are expensive and your insurance may not cover them.
5) to retain lean muscle mass, eat a high protein diet and lift weights So far, I have not noticed any reduced strength in the gym.
6) can combine with intermittent fasting and/or a low carb diet for extra appetite suppression.
7) some physicians won't prescribe to patients who are neither diabetic nor obese. Mine did.
Bottom line:
I'm thrilled with Zepbound, couldn't be happier.
How physically active are you? Has that increased in the last 18 days? How much less food are you eating since you started taking the drug?
I do not know how that drug works, but losing 10 pounds in 18 days seems unsustainable and extreme. Sort of like starvation extreme combined with a huge increase in energy expenditure. Maybe similar to what contestants on the TV reality show 'Naked and Afraid' go through (very little calories in, many more calories out with large increase in activity, less water intake).
Surely a large part of that 18 lb loss must be due to dehydration and/or the drug is a diuretic.
Do you believe your caloric deficit has been about 2000 calories every day for 18 days? (either eating much less, exercising much more, or a combination of the two?). That is what it would take to lose 18 lbs. of fat.
Your BMI calculation is likely not considering water weight loss, and is not considering if you are losing fat or muscle.
Yes some of it surely is water loss.
I am very physically active. No, my level of physical activity has not increased.
I do not count calories. If I had to guess I would say I am consuming roughly 2300 calories per day now, as compared to maybe 3500 calories per day before. These are very rough estimates.
How physically active are you? Has that increased in the last 18 days? How much less food are you eating since you started taking the drug?
I do not know how that drug works, but losing 10 pounds in 18 days seems unsustainable and extreme. Sort of like starvation extreme combined with a huge increase in energy expenditure. Maybe similar to what contestants on the TV reality show 'Naked and Afraid' go through (very little calories in, many more calories out with large increase in activity, less water intake).
Surely a large part of that 18 lb loss must be due to dehydration and/or the drug is a diuretic.
Do you believe your caloric deficit has been about 2000 calories every day for 18 days? (either eating much less, exercising much more, or a combination of the two?). That is what it would take to lose 18 lbs. of fat.
Your BMI calculation is likely not considering water weight loss, and is not considering if you are losing fat or muscle.
The first thing that goes with these GLPs is muscle. That's documented and why any doctor would tell you to up the strength training or start it.
My lifts are actually going up, so I don't think I am losing muscle. I have been lifting 6 out of 7 days, even if only for 20 minutes.
10 pounds in 18 days is still not plausible or sustainable. That would require a deficit of nearly 2000 calories per day. At some point the equation will have to be balanced.
People lose muscle while on it because they aren’t consuming enough calories, specifically protein to maintain muscle. This is iimportant because the older you get, the harder it is to build back that muscle and someone at 10% body fat with no muscle is going to look worse than someone at 15% bf with muscle .