Malmo, your point is well made about dew point but, just as an FYI, you need to find a better source of data than weather underground. I lived in Tokyo and dew points don't get into the low 80s there. Stadium is in Shinjuku and what I see on better sites, including Japanese ones, is mid to high 70s.
Malmo, your point is well made about dew point but, just as an FYI, you need to find a better source of data than weather underground. I lived in Tokyo and dew points don't get into the low 80s there. Stadium is in Shinjuku and what I see on better sites, including Japanese ones, is mid to high 70s.
Mid to high 70s is extreme. Last week it got up to 82. If you really had a better source you would have provided it wouldn't you? I'll wait. TY in advance.
I'll give you links to daily reports by hour if you feel up to refuting the data I've given you? OK?
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Malmo, your point is well made about dew point but, just as an FYI, you need to find a better source of data than weather underground. I lived in Tokyo and dew points don't get into the low 80s there. Stadium is in Shinjuku and what I see on better sites, including Japanese ones, is mid to high 70s.
Mid to high 70s is extreme. Last week it got up to 82. If you really had a better source you would have provided it wouldn't you? I'll wait. TY in advance.
I'll give you links to daily reports by hour if you feel up to refuting the data I've given you? OK?
As per my previous post, what is the best way to prepare for humid/high dew point conditions? One response seemed to imply it's genetic "some people can't handle the heat". Is there a preferred way? or is it just everyone has to deal with it and do their best? Those who can tolerate it best will do better?
Mid to high 70s is extreme. Last week it got up to 82. If you really had a better source you would have provided it wouldn't you? I'll wait. TY in advance.
I'll give you links to daily reports by hour if you feel up to refuting the data I've given you? OK?
As per my previous post, what is the best way to prepare for humid/high dew point conditions? One response seemed to imply it's genetic "some people can't handle the heat". Is there a preferred way? or is it just everyone has to deal with it and do their best? Those who can tolerate it best will do better?
I dont think I've ever read any of your posts but I'll give it a try anyway.
The only experience I have with oppressive heat/DP is East coast in the Summer. Washington DC. But the DP there rarely gets above the low 70s. Hardly what Tokyo is like. So my advice would be " Dont run races there." If you have to train in it then run in the evening when the Sun sets and you can get your sweat on.
Thats all I have.
Dew points above 75' are just plain nasty. If you have a plan then let us know. Don't say Honolulu because that's a pleasant vacation place.
As per my previous post, what is the best way to prepare for humid/high dew point conditions? One response seemed to imply it's genetic "some people can't handle the heat". Is there a preferred way? or is it just everyone has to deal with it and do their best? Those who can tolerate it best will do better?
I dont think I've ever read any of your posts but I'll give it a try anyway.
The only experience I have with oppressive heat/DP is East coast in the Summer. Washington DC. But the DP there rarely gets above the low 70s. Hardly what Tokyo is like. So my advice would be " Dont run races there." If you have to train in it then run in the evening when the Sun sets and you can get your sweat on.
Thats all I have.
Dew points above 75' are just plain nasty. If you have a plan then let us know. Don't say Honolulu because that's a pleasant vacation place.
Thanks for the reply.
I agree, the easiest way to avoid it is just don't run in it. Unfortunately, the selection committee of global championship locations doesn't really care. Even when they selected Eugene, Oregon, who would of predicted a heatwave. I guess we'll have to settle with attrition, who can tough it out the best. I do believe there's a psychological effect along with the physiological effect.
"Heat index, or apparent temperature, is the temperature that the human body feels like when air temperature and humidity are combined, while dew point is the actual temperature at which the air must be cooled for water vapor to condense into dew, indicating the absolute amount of moisture in the air. Higher dew points mean more moisture, which makes the heat index feel much hotter because the body's sweat cannot evaporate as effectively to cool it down".
I agree, the easiest way to avoid it is just don't run in it. Unfortunately, the selection committee of global championship locations doesn't really care. Even when they selected Eugene, Oregon, who would of predicted a heatwave. I guess we'll have to settle with attrition, who can tough it out the best. I do believe there's a psychological effect along with the physiological effect.
"Heat index, or apparent temperature, is the temperature that the human body feels like when air temperature and humidity are combined, while dew point is the actual temperature at which the air must be cooled for water vapor to condense into dew, indicating the absolute amount of moisture in the air. Higher dew points mean more moisture, which makes the heat index feel much hotter because the body's sweat cannot evaporate as effectively to cool it down".
Likewise, thanks for your reply. I think my main point is that some people want to believe that they control every variable when they can't. They think that all results are due to the failures of someone else - coaching, pacing, strategy, preparation etc, when the reality is if you run races five times you get five different results. With extreme conditions the results are even more extreme.
As far as "heat index" goes I care less about those numbers than I do about other conversions. Dew point already gives you everything you need to know. Its a direct measurement. No need to fabricate another.
FWIW. During my first 2 years of college at least 8 of my classes (physics, chem, physical sciences) were with Joe Bastardi, who went on to go big-time with AccuWeather.