Jeff has lots of good advice for beginners about technique. He's the running equivalent of someone saying, "Run more often, and sometimes run kind of fast, and sometimes do some strides" to a total beginner.
Anything beyond that and his advice is often contradictory and a mashup of bro science and fake weights.
Are you not aware that he trains professional athletes? I enjoy his workouts. They challenge me, I like the variety, and I've gotten great results. Who are your influences?
I am aware. Every crackpot YouTube coach has coached professional athletes. Joel Seedman, the official laughing stock of the online strength and condition world, has coached NFL athletes. When you're a freak athlete you will be a freak athlete, almost regardless of the strength training you do.
Jimmy Radcliffe wrote the literal book on sports performance training that influenced a lot of what we all do today. Head strength coach at Oregon for a while and consults for many teams.
As far as YouTubers go, I like Dane Miller for sports performance. Even he has some whacky and flat out wrong takes now and then. But he coached weightlifters and throwers mostly.
The supersquats program, I never read the actual book but I read a million forum posts that I basically read the book, changed how I look at hypertrophy and adaptation.
Are you not aware that he trains professional athletes? I enjoy his workouts. They challenge me, I like the variety, and I've gotten great results. Who are your influences?
I am aware. Every crackpot YouTube coach has coached professional athletes. Joel Seedman, the official laughing stock of the online strength and condition world, has coached NFL athletes. When you're a freak athlete you will be a freak athlete, almost regardless of the strength training you do.
Jimmy Radcliffe wrote the literal book on sports performance training that influenced a lot of what we all do today. Head strength coach at Oregon for a while and consults for many teams.
As far as YouTubers go, I like Dane Miller for sports performance. Even he has some whacky and flat out wrong takes now and then. But he coached weightlifters and throwers mostly.
The supersquats program, I never read the actual book but I read a million forum posts that I basically read the book, changed how I look at hypertrophy and adaptation.
Cool, I'll check those out. As with running programs, people need to find what works best for them. I'm pleased with what I've accomplished (and yes, I know the difference between bodybuilding and strength training). My max bench is 240, which I think is pretty good for a distance runner.
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I believe I could when I worked out and ran at the same time, I was about 44 iirc. I could do and did 100 consecutive pushups. I could do 40 decent pullups consecutive as well…I was beating 20 yos on gear at the time. For reference I was 6’1” 180 lbs, very lean and could bench over 300, squat nearly 400, run a low 5 minute mile, and could dunk anything I could palm still.
This is an opposing muscle group challenge so muscular endurance is the obvious issue. To tackle this under 5 minutes I would start with my weaker exercise pull-ups probably bank on 4 sets of each to give that muscle group a rest. Something like 12 pull-ups, right into 25 pushups, 12 pull-ups, 25 pushups….Suoer doable in fact that might be a great way to train for it, whereas that number is about a quarter of your one set max is.
Unlike some -or many, or most- of you, I know close to nothing about running. About running for real. I've just been running recreationally as my 3rd sports activity for a bit more than a decade so far. And love track and road racing as a fan.
My 1st is K-1 or Muay. Just as a hobby aswell, never competed. For more than half my life, as for now.
I think no athlete does more push-ups than someone who trains boxing. It's their bread and butter. And they train harder than hard.
Doing a set of 10 proper push-ups is hard. Period.
A PROFESSIONAL boxer in his prime @ the weight classes below 154 could maybe do... like 80 in a row to failure. At best. And I'm probably being generous.
Wrestlers and grapplers do tons of pull-ups. World elite can't approach 40 in a set.
Hell, no more than a bunch of world elite gymnasts (rings / bars) could break 40 in a set.
Either your numbers or your form are wrong.
I know for sure that I couldn't even think of giving this challenge a try.
Shhhooot most pushups form is wrong arms at 90degrees which actually make it harder. I fully believe bench with dumbbells and barbell will assist with pushups once u get over your body weight. Exact same with weighted pull downs. If you’re repping weights above your body weight then the body weight exercises, pushups and pull-ups, become increasingly easy. That’s why I posted bench numbers for reference. I put up over 300 ok bench &180 lbs, so that means I was repping 250 for sets. So when I go to do pushups at 180 bodywwight what do u think happens?
Ten years ago I'd easily have been able to complete this in under 5 minutes. Zero chance now... a changed fitness focus (high strength:weight focus then to endurance cycling now), a shoulder surgery, and some dad-bod drift. This would probably take me 20 minutes.
Is it weird as a 46 year old well adjusted normal adult that I'm tempted to actually try this one? I do pushups and pullups as part of my regular strength routine, so it's not like this would leave for sore for 3 days. Maybe I'll give it a shot this week and report back. I've got full confidence doing it in 10 minutes, just how fast would be the big question. And maybe "fast" is like 8 minutes. But it's doable.
Shhhooot most pushups form is wrong arms at 90degrees which actually make it harder. I fully believe bench with dumbbells and barbell will assist with pushups once u get over your body weight. Exact same with weighted pull downs. If you’re repping weights above your body weight then the body weight exercises, pushups and pull-ups, become increasingly easy. That’s why I posted bench numbers for reference. I put up over 300 ok bench &180 lbs, so that means I was repping 250 for sets. So when I go to do pushups at 180 bodywwight what do u think happens?
I can do 30 pushups now consecutively at 51 yo and 230 lbs…I rig now, if that means can’t do any more but at 180 lbs doing 4 sets of 10 on 250lbs bench?? Negative.
I don’t mean to make light of the challenge I’m saying I could do it fairly easy at the point of best shape of my life strength endurance wise. But there is a definite progression type program up to this goal that would have MOST reasonably athletic men able to achieve this goal within 3-6 months. A guy at 300 lbs will have a much harder time than a guy 150-200 lbs.
Everyone should try it. I just did. Remember I’m 51, 230 lbs I haven’t seriously touched a weight in over 5 years. I just did 70 pushups, 14 pull-ups. if I actually screwed around with this I’d easily get the extra 30 pushups and maybe get up to 30 pull-ups. if I went after it seriously meaning getting my body weight down/with strength training easily by 6 months.
I was unaware of this challenge until I saw a link to the NYT article saying (paraphrasing)... "don't try it, you'll hurt yourself!"
I'm sure you can find links to this challenge, but most are political, so I'll let you find your own. My question for LetsRunners is:
1. Can you do 50 push-ups and 50 pull-ups in 5 minutes?
Me: I can do 34 strict push-ups nonstop right now. I could probably do 50-70 of the partial push-ups the way that RFK Jr. does them in one set so doing 100 in sets of 20 would be easy. I'd flunk the pull-ups. I have a chronic shoulder injury so I'm sure I couldn't do many pull-ups. I might be able to get 10 in sets of 1 .... pathetic....
So, LetsRunners, can you do the 100/50/5minute challenge? I image that the pull-ups would be a problem for lots of runners, but what's your thoughts?
Shhhooot most pushups form is wrong arms at 90degrees which actually make it harder.
Yet it's the proper form. Shoulder to elbow touching you, pecs touching or almost touching (depending on your pecs and your forearm length) the ground.
It's not about finding vectors that make it easier to lift you. It's about doing them the way they are designed to involve the muscles correctly and don't fook your shoulders.
Shhhooot most pushups form is wrong arms at 90degrees which actually make it harder.
Yet it's the proper form. Shoulder to elbow touching you, pecs touching or almost touching (depending on your pecs and your forearm length) the ground.
It's not about finding vectors that make it easier to lift you. It's about doing them the way they are designed to involve the muscles correctly and don't fook your shoulders.
Barely nobody can make 10 the right way.
And any other push-up variation is harder.
Yeah when I said elbows at 90 degrees that’s what I consider wrong form it can actually impinge your shoulder joint, it’s a ball and socket joint.
It’s no coincidence that proper form is also most efficient. To me it looks like more of a 45 degrees angle with hand placement more to your side. It’s the same “form” these fitness gurus(good money) types use in theory. There’s also the issue of full range of motion or not. Not all these fitness guys use full ROM, hell neither do military guys they certainly don’t have a monopoly in what counts on a full rep or not. That fake authority does not extend to civilians.
I would put this challenge at about a 19 minute 5k for a fitness guy, in that world. I post my numbers not to say hey look at what I can do but rather this is very achievable even for runners if they actually wanted to go about progressing to it.
I even orders one of those pull up bars for a doorway bc stuff like this if fun for me. Set a goal and incrementally progress towards that goal with a system or structure. I’ll even post a video when I do it, grey hair and all.
My PR for 1 set of pushups is well over 100, they are not hard to do at all.
I can always crank out at least 10 pullups on demand, but would not even attempt 50 in 5 minutes. Once you get that first set done, you won't be ready for a meaningful 2nd set until that 5 minutes is just about up. So you'd have to be already capable of 25 or 30 in one set.
Unless you have some kind of midget hercules gymasty body type, that's higher fitness by far than 50 pushups in even 1 minute. There is just no comparison, the pushups are a decorative addition to this pullups challenge.
no shot you can do well over 100 pushups and not manage much over 10 pullups
Since we were talking about this the other day, I gave the push-ups a go. Just straight out how many I could do without stopping. I hit 50.
I do pull-ups all the time and no way and I getting much more than a dozen.
Absolutely zero problem. 10 sets of 10 pushups/5 pullups each minute? Child's play. I'd say that if you are a man (any age) and can't do 50 pushups and 10 pullups in one go, you seriously need to make some changes. That will ruffle some feathers- and it should.
Yeah, I think youre probably right.
I do sets of push-ups or pull-ups most days, and this would be not that hard.
Probably much easier than doing one set to fatigue like I was trying to do.
There was a chart that I posted before for the push-ups, ranking what percentile of people can do how many based on age and sex:
Most guys in my box would be able to complete this in reasonable time. Even the chicks here can do it (with band/knees). But we’re an incredibly buff and ripped box so there is that’s.