Cooper Lutkenhaus Bi Carb

crocodilehunter · 2025-08-08T13:30:05-04:00

In the Citius Interview Cooper had recently he asked if he took Bi-Carb and he responded that he's basically been microdosing it. I've been a huge fan of Cooper since he won state his freshman year breaking 1:50. He also mentioned he had been trying it for about a year and I was actually surprised to hear he's been trying it. Obviously he's a world talent, but are most top high schoolers trying Bi Carb?

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9 months ago 08/12/2025 1:25am EDT

re: George Smith

George Smith wrote:
Baking Soda or Bicarb has been banned for over 40 years in thoroughbred horses and harness racing when it was proven to be a performance enhancer. This is especially true for harness horses.

Yeah, not as many young fans follow horse racing anymore, otherwise this would be well known. The term milkshake was applied to horse racing decades before I saw it attached to other sports.

There have been countless studies on bicarb and athletic performance. This 2009 version linked below was among the first to examine bicarb and youth results. It was strict to swimming and freestyle sprints:

"The total time of the 4 x 50 m test trial improved from 1.54.28 to 1.52.85s, while statistically significant changes in swimming speed were recorded only during the first 50m sprint (1.92 vs. 1.97 m·s-1, p < 0.05). Resting blood concentration of HCO-3 increased following the ingestion of sodium bicarbonate from 25.13 to 28.49 mM (p < 0.05). Sodium bicarbonate intake had a statistically significant effect on resting blood pH (7.33 vs. 7.41, p < .05) as well as on post exercise plasma lactate concentration (11.27 vs. 13.06 mM, p < 0.05)). Collectively, these data demonstrate that the ingestion of sodium bicarbonate in youth athletes is an effective buffer during high intensity interval swimming and suggest that such a procedure can be used in youth athletes to increase training intensity as well as swimming performance in competition at distances from 50 to 200 m."

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Effects of sodium bicarbonate ingestion on swim performance in youth athletes

The purpose of this study was to evaluate the effect of oral administration of sodium bicarbonate (300 mg·kg-1 b.w.) on swim performance in competitive, (training experience of 6.6 ± 0.6 years) youth, (15.1 ± 0.6 years) male...

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9 months ago 08/12/2025 3:00am EDT

re: George Smith

George Smith wrote:
Anyone know wrote:
Anybody know if its beneficial to train with bicarb? Or just race with it?
Baking Soda or Bicarb has been banned for over 40 years in thoroughbred horses and harness racing when it was proven to be a performance enhancer. This is especially true for harness horses. Neutralizes Lactic Acid and thus keeps the pH of the blood steady. Doesn't really make you faster unless you use it in training to work harder like athletes testing their lactic acid level you athlete can tolerate doing certain workouts.
In the 400m it is difficult to run even splits because the lactic acid builds up and muscles become less efficient. 800m is a perfect distance because with it blood pH regulated makes the second lap easier. The bright side is you can also say the extra baking soda came from you eating too much cup cakes.
At my home race track, they announced that quite a few trainers were fined and suspended because the stewards found Baking Soda that wasn't used on cupcakes. Tim, my friend and I went to the nearest large grocery store. Low and behold the shelves were empty that previously held Baking Soda. No, the store didn't take them off the shelf, because both the thoroughbred and harness trainers bought the store out.

Fyi, no such thing as lactic acid in the body.

4 days ago 05/31/2026 7:45am EDT

re: georgy

I’m a HS coach and I just watched many kids at our Regional track meet yesterday using BiCarb. If it truly affects performance, it’s now an unfair advantage, so those trying to be competitive will need to make a choice to use it or not.

Running is quickly becoming a synthetic sport it seems, shoes, BiCarb, supplements, peptides, who knows what else. It’s kind of disheartening I think.

4 days ago 05/31/2026 8:15am EDT

re: SyntheticSport

SyntheticSport wrote:
I’m a HS coach and I just watched many kids at our Regional track meet yesterday using BiCarb. If it truly affects performance, it’s now an unfair advantage, so those trying to be competitive will need to make a choice to use it or not.
Running is quickly becoming a synthetic sport it seems, shoes, BiCarb, supplements, peptides, who knows what else. It’s kind of disheartening I think.

My kid is a fast HS miler. Regular conversation amongst the runners at the clerk’s tent and on group cooldowns all season was bicarb—every single kid acknowledged using it for big races. Not sure how it’s an “unfair” advantage—it’s very readily available, as is caffeine, vitamin d, iron, beetroot, etc

4 days ago 05/31/2026 1:26pm EDT

re: Go run barefoot on cinders

Feels unfair because not all kids can handle it with stomach issues. I’d say it’s different than iron, caffeine, etc. caffeine in high doses is banned. Iron is a part of regular food. This is Baking Soda. Sodium bicarbonate is banned in horse racing.

4 days ago 05/31/2026 2:10pm EDT

re: SyntheticSport

SyntheticSport wrote:
Feels unfair because not all kids can handle it with stomach issues. I’d say it’s different than iron, caffeine, etc. caffeine in high doses is banned. Iron is a part of regular food. This is Baking Soda. Sodium bicarbonate is banned in horse racing.

Some kids can’t handle caffeine. Some kids can’t handle mileage. Baking soda is also part of regular food. It’s totally reasonable to feel that bicarb is part of trackflation. But to suggest it’s somehow “unfair” feels like a massive stretch

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