Message to the US B-tier 1500m guys

Perhaps the site journalist could do an interview with Lumb? I think that would be something many here would read after his new connection with Gjert.

Along the same discussion, here is a good recent video of the star pupil:

Quick question about US athletics, and I hope someone can answer as I can't be bothered to look it up but, Hocker apart, how many Olympic golds, at events 800m or above have USA won, men or women, from 1988 and later?

This forum is full of USA, USA, USA but, especially at the longer distances, USA aren't actually that good are they?

since 1988? Not many. We have historically been better at middle distances than long.

Centro won in 2016 (worth noting this was deep in the sit-and-kick era of international 1500m running- it was the slowest winning Olympic time in 80 years. He would be a total non-factor in today’s scene)

Mu won the 800 at age 19 in 2020 at a time when the event was not uncompetitive. Gives you an idea of what a phenom she was. I really hope we see her bounce back.

Cole’s 1500m gold was a superb performance. To me it was an indicator of a changing game in the US- these guys have serious speed and aren’t afraid to push the pace. It’s a far cry from the very dull and gutless championship racing that characterized much of the 2010s. It seems like they are feeding off one another and the bar is constantly being raised. It’s a beautiful thing to see. Let’s see how we do moving forward.

You're suggesting he joins the Ethiopian military?

Or try the steeplechase

Not to make this political.... but I can't help myself.

So it's nothing like the US.

1) You have to learn the language.

2) You have to be able to support yourself financially.

Neither is true here.

If I'm ever president, it will be against the law for a recording at a US business to say, "For English, press 1." That should be the default and you just wasted 3 seconds of my life.

I like the idea of the OP but would like to add some different names.

Murphy and Teffra.

Some may object to them called B teamers but they are B teamers when compared to Hocker and Nuguse and both perfect for Gjert. They are already doing tons of double T training and are young. Gjert needs talent and youth. He doesn't want to coach AAA guys.

Hunter is also a good fit as he's used to filming much of his life. Plus he's not really at 1500 runner but neither is Jakob and Gjert coached him to Olympic gold in the 1500.

Nobody ever found out by not trying?

Why not message him? Norway is a small country and a 3:44 runner still gets some respect!

Worst case scenario is an extremely successful coach with a growing elite stable doesn't have time for you.

Best case scenario is he invites you to come to Norway or a camp elsewhere, to see your running and the fit. (I'd guess not before worlds.) Maybe you join the 'group' and/or or he coaches you remotely.

Go for it, man!

You have clearly been watching too much Fox News.

1. Most Americans are barely literate in English. Very few know more of any other language than high school dogsh-t Spanish. Can you imagine trying to live here without speaking any English?

2. You have a massively inflated sense of benefits here. Try living off of the 7.25/hr minimum wage, or even solely off of the minimal U.S. unemployment benefits. See how easy it is.

We arrest people here when they show up at their hearings. I think its a little worse.

he’s not american but it looks like Kieran Lumb reads this board haha

Change events.

Here we go again with the Centro bashing! You mention his era as the "sit and kick" era as if that was both a bad thing and the only way races were run then (or as if it was the only era that "sit and kick" ever existed)

You neglect to mention that he beat a runner in the 2016 Olympics that was faster than every single runner of today's era including Jakob Ingebrigtsen (Asbel Kiprop) plus Mahkloufi (3:28/+1:42) You say Centro couldn't even compete today yet don't acknowledge his 1:44 and 13:00 range (before super shoes and wavelights) or his :50 second 400 kick and :12 second 100 finishing speed. ...Or, most importantly his multiple Championship performances at every level. You do mention the "sit and kick" he was a part of but don't also acknowledge that this was exactly what his specific training was laser focused on. If he were a 22 year old today his training would be focused differently, absolutel and along with shoes his PRs would reflect that. His talent and range was excellent and his instincts and tactics were supreme. He would still be great today.

My comment was less Centro-bashing than an indictment of the general lack of balls in championship racing during that time period.
The fact that Kiprop lost to Centrowitz in that race sort of proves the point. How could a 3:26 guy would allow a man— whose only career sub-3:31 came by getting dragged along to a 10th-place (!!!) finish in a Monaco time-trial— to win an Olympic final in a time that was so slow that it would have better suited to the 1920s?
I said he wouldn’t be a factor in the scene now because we saw what happened to him in a fast race against honest competitors. This is closer to how championship racing is happening these days. In that era, you could get away with it because nobody had the guts come finals to lay down the law. But these guys today would never allow that kind of pace in an Olympic final, and the event and the sport is better for it!

SVALBARD

https://tinyurl.com/SVALBARD-Norway

The US has the best 1500m runners right now. US had two olympic medalists last year in the event, Norway didn't have any. US has more 1500m olympic gold medals in the past 10 years than Norway does ever in the 1500 meters.

26/07 in Goteberg:

1
José Carlos Pinto
97
Portugal
3:34.78
1
2
Kieran Lumb
98
Canada
3:35.61
2
3
Andreas Kramer
97
Djurgårdens IF
3:37.86
3
PB
4
Kristoffer Sagli
02
Norway
3:37.88
4
PB
5
Andreas Fjeld Halvorsen
05
Norway
3:38.26
5
6
Emil Danielsson
97
Spårvägens FK
3:38.30
6
SB
7
Mike Foppen
96
Netherlands
3:39.59
7

It's rough to live there, even in the summer. Literally carrying a rifle to the one grocery store at certain parts of the year because of polar bears. That isn't a joke by the way.