Someone who only runs 4:38 in the 1600 dopes, but we're supposed to believe everyone running under 4:00 in HS is clean? And we're supposed to pretend there are no incentives to dope if you're in college or HS - money (scholarship or NIL), admission to ones you wouldn't otherwise have gotten into, etc?
No matter what drugs you take you can't turn a donkey into a race horse.
Some parents are over the top.
Agreed. But EPO is roughly 8-10 seconds per mile. In a 3200 that's 16-20 seconds. Can it make a big difference in someone's life if they run 8:50 instead of 9:10? 8:40 instead of 8:55?
I was taking testoserine for a while many years ago not for athletic Proformance but to survive A BRUTAL swing shift that lasted 30 plus years! I also Coached track! I was sitting in the lobby and here comes a kid on the team to get his shot! Happens all the time! Do not put your head in the sand on this one
There was a kid who randomly became fast one season, a nobody to state champion, I'm not going to say his name. But I heard rumors that he was taking something, I've never heard that in my life. I raced against NCAA champions and Olympians never once has doping ever entered the conversation, but with this guy there was a lot of people talking about what he was taking, I guess he was pretty open about it. And same thing, after his amazing season where he pretty much crushed all of us he faded into obscurity, didnt even run college. I honestly don't believe he was doping, but some of these psycho sports parents are putting some doubt into my mind. The pathology of a sports parent needs to be examined.
I agree with a lot of what’s being said on this thread. I don’t like calling out different high school kids over doping but it’s clear that doping exists at this level and it’s getting more and more pervasive.
its also ridiculously sad.
where is the magic in sport if this is a part of things from the start? This kid isn’t a star at all. why not enjoy it? Train hard, see how good you can be for you? Have fun with your friends. Horrible parents tainting everything good. And that goes for kids doping who are fast too.
I was taking testoserine for a while many years ago not for athletic Proformance but to survive A BRUTAL swing shift that lasted 30 plus years! I also Coached track! I was sitting in the lobby and here comes a kid on the team to get his shot! Happens all the time! Do not put your head in the sand on this one
Similar to an experience I had years ago (this was in So Cal, the late 80s). A powerlifter buddy of mine, who was open about juicing, had an appt. with his doctor and I tagged along. While waiting in the lobby a very famous sprinter came in. This guy was known for making a big deal about campaigning against drugs in the sport. He was there for his special shots etc. To this day I laugh whenever I see an interview with him or a highlight video.
The next time I accompanied my buddy, I’m sitting in the lobby and another top sprinter comes in, a woman, and she was known for complaining about people being on drugs, while in fact she was a terrific juicer. I was shocked these sprinters weren’t more discreet. The doctor had a lot of actors, models, and track folks as “patients” apparently. He ended up in trouble but I don’t know if actually served time. It was a well known case locally I believe but that’s all I’ll say here.
This just shows how easy it can be for a parent to dope or assist in doping a high school athlete. I looked the kid up....he isn't even fast. So if very average 15-16 year olds are doping why is it so hard for people to beleive that many others dope?
Many people on this forum think only Kenyans are doping whereas North Americans and Europeans are all innocent. Its hillarious
A similar story I heard once or twice: A well known shady coach recruited a healthy teen boy right out of high school. That boy was then suddenly deemed asthmatic with low testosterone. The coach fixed that all right!
Years later, that former teen was the subject of having a "sketchy biological passport" and though not actually busted, everyone knew/knows the truth.
Heard that coach is not allowed near a track for the next 112 years. Hahahaha.....
The former teen now spends his days lying to himself think he's a good religious man, while frequently changing hats during warmer months.
The end
I'm to tired to figure it out but is this Rupp?
This is actually referring to Thurston Vowell III, the Grandfather. Young Thurston was so upset, he quit running and lived his life out on a deserted island.
I was taking testoserine for a while many years ago not for athletic Proformance but to survive A BRUTAL swing shift that lasted 30 plus years! I also Coached track! I was sitting in the lobby and here comes a kid on the team to get his shot! Happens all the time! Do not put your head in the sand on this one
Similar to an experience I had years ago (this was in So Cal, the late 80s). A powerlifter buddy of mine, who was open about juicing, had an appt. with his doctor and I tagged along. While waiting in the lobby a very famous sprinter came in. This guy was known for making a big deal about campaigning against drugs in the sport. He was there for his special shots etc. To this day I laugh whenever I see an interview with him or a highlight video.
The next time I accompanied my buddy, I’m sitting in the lobby and another top sprinter comes in, a woman, and she was known for complaining about people being on drugs, while in fact she was a terrific juicer. I was shocked these sprinters weren’t more discreet. The doctor had a lot of actors, models, and track folks as “patients” apparently. He ended up in trouble but I don’t know if actually served time. It was a well known case locally I believe but that’s all I’ll say here.
Someone who only runs 4:38 in the 1600 dopes, but we're supposed to believe everyone running under 4:00 in HS is clean? And we're supposed to pretend there are no incentives to dope if you're in college or HS - money (scholarship or NIL), admission to ones you wouldn't otherwise have gotten into, etc?
No matter what drugs you take you can't turn a donkey into a race horse.
Some parents are over the top.
The Donkeys arent't doping. Its the Racehorses who are doping. A 4:48 miler is a racehorse in most American track meets. Kids are placing even in the 4:50s
This just shows how easy it can be for a parent to dope or assist in doping a high school athlete. I looked the kid up....he isn't even fast. So if very average 15-16 year olds are doping why is it so hard for people to beleive that many others dope?
It's not hard to believe, but "believing" and or speculating is a waste of time. I've said it over and over on various posts. For example, in the the court of law I don't recall any criminal being found guilty due to the jury "believing" the defendant was guilty without any proof or substantial evidence. You NEED absolute PROOF!, and the only way of achieving that is by a FAILED drug test. There's only so much that can be done through drug testing, whether it's out of season testing, in competition testing, etc... The only true deterrent is suspension, and it must be in lock step with the violation. Getting popped for an outright failed drug test should be 4 years for out of competition, 4 years for 'whereabouts unknown' of 'missed test', 8 years for in competition, and a life time ban for multiple violations of ANY kind. This should also include the coach, unless there is absolute proof that the coach had ZERO involvement. If the punishment isn't harsh enough the problem will continue to exist. You can throw in some financial punishment as well to really send the message that if you cheat you WILL pay a price. With regard to the high school kid, did he know the consequences of what his dad was doing? Was he fully aware of what he was taking and why? If he did in fact 'know' what was going on he should be suspended for a minimum of 2 years. If he was clueless and or deceived that he was taking supplements, then a 1 year ban is sufficient.
This just shows how easy it can be for a parent to dope or assist in doping a high school athlete. I looked the kid up....he isn't even fast. So if very average 15-16 year olds are doping why is it so hard for people to beleive that many others dope?
If this is happening to a 4:40 miler imagine what a newly minted 3:29 guy with daddy’s millions might do. A weird possibility.
I know that I'm in the small minority in this thread (and this site) for holding this view, but couldn't the fact that a random 16-year-old 4:40 miler was caught doping mean that it's actually not plausible that everyone who runs fast is doping? In other words, if they're catching mediocre high school students doping, they're probably catching a good number of elite ones, too.
Look at it this way: there is next to no incentive for someone to blow the whistle on a high school kid who can't even run below 4:30. He's in no danger of winning a state meet (or probably even getting to one). Meanwhile, there are a ton of incentives for those at the top to keep an eye on each other. I don't buy the "everyone is doing it and being silent about it" theory, because it requires far too much coordination and secrecy than exists in reality.
And since I'm going to get a deluge of downvotes for this, I may as well say another unpopular opinion: I'm perfectly fine with a high school kid getting away with a slap on the hand for this. It's his dad who is primarily at fault, not him. It would take an extraordinary amount of guts for a kid to stand up to the type of father who suggests that he take drugs to get faster, and we shouldn't fault kids for not having a heroic level of courage. A limited 2-year suspension will be hard enough, and hopefully he'll never do anything like this again.