Nico on his best day can run really fast in the 1500. You say "the runners behind him," but really only three guys were really that far up there, and we're having to reassess a 3:28.36 when it's closer to Festus Lagat than Azeddine Habz.
??? What. Your post makes no sense. Make an argument next post.
It makes perfect sense. Nico Young can probably run 3:29-flat or a touch off that, but it is his talent level. You maybe need to learn how to wrap your head around that, but it's pretty simple. Nico Young smoked George Mills in a 5,000 and has looked good in the 1500/mile in pretty limited opportunities. So this "level" you speak of was shown by two runners, not several runners. Times in the 1500 are different now. 3:27 to medal.
Nick Willis says Jakob probably won't run the 1500m at Worlds lol.
Probably won't frontrun an all-out 3:26-7 race would be the more reasonable prediction. Jakob is competitive and loves the 1500, he won't be a coward because guys are running fast.
??? What. Your post makes no sense. Make an argument next post.
It makes perfect sense. Nico Young can probably run 3:29-flat or a touch off that, but it is his talent level. You maybe need to learn how to wrap your head around that, but it's pretty simple. Nico Young smoked George Mills in a 5,000 and has looked good in the 1500/mile in pretty limited opportunities. So this "level" you speak of was shown by two runners, not several runners. Times in the 1500 are different now. 3:27 to medal.
Again, I don't know what your arguing. I think Nico is clean. Mills too. Habz, Koech, Lagat, and Nillessen are certainly not and they fall under the several runners I said.
Times are different because there is some performance enhancer out there. Sorry, You just have to learn to wrap your head around that. Sub 3:28 and even sub 3:30 was a respected barrier. Today proved that it isn't.
Again, I don't know what your arguing. I think Nico is clean. Mills too. Habz, Koech, Lagat, and Nillessen are certainly not and they fall under the several runners I said.
Times are different because there is some performance enhancer out there. Sorry, You just have to learn to wrap your head around that. Sub 3:28 and even sub 3:30 was a respected barrier. Today proved that it isn't.
Did you taste their urine? Love how people decide who's clean and who's not based on absolutely nothing.
It's just not believable. Like Salvitore said, this guy was never in contention in World Finals and in previous year time trials he was always 3:30-3:31. To run a 3:27 mid like this? With a fast close? Oozing EPO, no doubt about that. Anybody trying to rationalize these results is a CERTIFIED 🤡. It started with Nuguse in 2023 when he pulled that 3:43 high out of nowhere. No we are seeing all these mid pack runners turn into close WR machines. It's a joke.
Habz’s run today isn’t anything like Nuguse’s 3:43 when you look at the contexts.
Habz: big 3:27 PB at age 31 while leading the last 500m, as someone who’s never finished in the top 8 at a global championships
Nuguse: big PB at age 24 in his first full year as a pro, running behind Jakob the whole way, at the conclusion of a season in which he established himself as a top runner by winning DL races in London and Zurich and (in a bit of a disappointment at the time) finishing 5th at the world championships
It's hilarious watching Gault and Weldon trying to justify these 1500m results. Habz is the 6th FASTEST ever at this distance 3:26 Hicham El Guerrouj - Olympic Champion 3:26.34 Bernard Lagat - World Champion and challenged Hicham 3:26.69 Asbel Kiprop - Olympic Champion, busted for doping 3:26.73 Jakob Ingebrigtsen - Olympic Champion 3:27.34 Nourredine Morceli - Olympic Champion 3:27.49 Azeddine Habz - .........Are you kidding me Plus that other young kenyan who ran 3:27.72 No way this is legit.
Not saying those guys above him aren't doping but come on lol.
Habz’s run today isn’t anything like Nuguse’s 3:43 when you look at the contexts.
Habz: big 3:27 PB at age 31 while leading the last 500m, as someone who’s never finished in the top 8 at a global championships
Nuguse: big PB at age 24 in his first full year as a pro, running behind Jakob the whole way, at the conclusion of a season in which he established himself as a top runner by winning DL races in London and Zurich and (in a bit of a disappointment at the time) finishing 5th at the world championships
They are not alike at all.
Nuguse ran 3:54 in college and ran 3:43 one year later. If he’s clean I have a bridge to sell you
Habz’s run today isn’t anything like Nuguse’s 3:43 when you look at the contexts.
Habz: big 3:27 PB at age 31 while leading the last 500m, as someone who’s never finished in the top 8 at a global championships
Nuguse: big PB at age 24 in his first full year as a pro, running behind Jakob the whole way, at the conclusion of a season in which he established himself as a top runner by winning DL races in London and Zurich and (in a bit of a disappointment at the time) finishing 5th at the world championships
They are not alike at all.
Nuguse ran 3:54 in college and ran 3:43 one year later. If he’s clean I have a bridge to sell you
This might be the dumbest way to describe Nuguse’s progression that I’ve ever read. And I’ve read plenty of dumb ones.
Let me ask you Coevett. Are you playing a character here? Or are you getting bent out of shape over this nonsense? The whites cannot win everything.
Cowardly way to hide behind your own racism. The level of cheating exhibited by North and East Africans has been astronomical. A lot of it is due to them being able to play on Westerners who want fairness while they will do anything to win. Sure, there are Westerners with that attitude as well, but the numbers pale against the Africans who literally DGAF about cheating to win.
Nuguse ran 3:54 in college and ran 3:43 one year later. If he’s clean I have a bridge to sell you
Eeeeeehhhhyeeeah not quite.
Okay so he ran 3.53.34 final year of college and 3.33.26 which is not just a far superior mark by the traditional conversion, but given that this conversion is now surely smaller due to the nature of all these top milers (strength-based, threshold monsters), that probably points to something in the 3.49.5 range. That's for starters.
The other thing is that you can't really accurately gauge a final year college to pro "performance jump". Nuguse goes from college to an extremely good setup, we know Ritzenhein throws a ton of work at those guys and certainly in the short term we know how successful this approach can be - it's not the same as the journeyman pro who has been soldiering away on the circuit for years and then whoops, blows up out of relative obscurity to an all-time level of performance.
If I was going to bet on the legitimacy of Nuguse and be selling bridges based on that, I would looking for a structural steel supplier and a good welder. But that's just my opinion.
It's just not believable. Like Salvitore said, this guy was never in contention in World Finals and in previous year time trials he was always 3:30-3:31. To run a 3:27 mid like this? With a fast close? Oozing EPO, no doubt about that. Anybody trying to rationalize these results is a CERTIFIED 🤡. It started with Nuguse in 2023 when he pulled that 3:43 high out of nowhere. No we are seeing all these mid pack runners turn into close WR machines. It's a joke.
Habz’s run today isn’t anything like Nuguse’s 3:43 when you look at the contexts.
Habz: big 3:27 PB at age 31 while leading the last 500m, as someone who’s never finished in the top 8 at a global championships
Nuguse: big PB at age 24 in his first full year as a pro, running behind Jakob the whole way, at the conclusion of a season in which he established himself as a top runner by winning DL races in London and Zurich and (in a bit of a disappointment at the time) finishing 5th at the world championships
They are not alike at all.
Thank you for proving my point. Nuguse won 3:30-3:31 races as that is what he was good for. All of a sudden now he is running 0.8 seconds off the mile WR? Ok. We saw what he was capable of that same year while being drafted and that was 3:29. 3:43.97 makes no sense no matter what way you put it.
Let me ask you Coevett. Are you playing a character here? Or are you getting bent out of shape over this nonsense? The whites cannot win everything.
Cowardly way to hide behind your own racism. The level of cheating exhibited by North and East Africans has been astronomical. A lot of it is due to them being able to play on Westerners who want fairness while they will do anything to win. Sure, there are Westerners with that attitude as well, but the numbers pale against the Africans who literally DGAF about cheating to win.
You are correct sir. I am white but obviously I am racist against whites. You got me!
Nuguse ran 3:54 in college and ran 3:43 one year later. If he’s clean I have a bridge to sell you
Eeeeeehhhhyeeeah not quite.
Okay so he ran 3.53.34 final year of college and 3.33.26 which is not just a far superior mark by the traditional conversion, but given that this conversion is now surely smaller due to the nature of all these top milers (strength-based, threshold monsters), that probably points to something in the 3.49.5 range. That's for starters.
The other thing is that you can't really accurately gauge a final year college to pro "performance jump". Nuguse goes from college to an extremely good setup, we know Ritzenhein throws a ton of work at those guys and certainly in the short term we know how successful this approach can be - it's not the same as the journeyman pro who has been soldiering away on the circuit for years and then whoops, blows up out of relative obscurity to an all-time level of performance.
If I was going to bet on the legitimacy of Nuguse and be selling bridges based on that, I would looking for a structural steel supplier and a good welder. But that's just my opinion.
I don’t really buy the college narrative. Many people work hard. What makes him special?
Seriously, Habz running 3:27 infront of a home crowd? A 19 year old Kenyan running 3:27, what a disgrace.
One big asterisk here, but this Paris DL track was insanely fast each of the last two years as well. It's the newer, better Monaco. It's either short or so fricking bouncy that none of the times are real. That said, Habz shouldn't be winning Diamond League races. Dude isn't that good. Something is off.
Yes, not discounting doping, but the track has to be crazy springy/fast. Some of these tracks have gotten absolutely ridiculous, both indoor and outdoor. So much talk about supershoes (and that talk is definitely relevant), but these track surfaces at some venues are a joke and its highly suspect when everyone is blasting PBs.
Nick Willis says Jakob probably won't run the 1500m at Worlds lol.
Probably won't frontrun an all-out 3:26-7 race would be the more reasonable prediction. Jakob is competitive and loves the 1500, he won't be a coward because guys are running fast.
Of course, Jakob will run 1500m and of course he will run in the lead, if not longer, at least the last 1000m.
Well you continually selectively ignore facts or associations. Festus Lagat is Kenyan, but he's long-trained in the US, and now counts Neil Gourley as one of his top training partners amongst others. Additionally, Festus Lagat was a 1:44-low guy before the bicarb era, which is better than Mills could ever do. He similarly seems to have found both his event and training setup (he trained with UA Baltimore previously).
This isn't a comment on Lagat, but on the premise that training in the US with a Brit makes a foreign athlete "believable". We have the counter example of Nijel Amos, who trained in the US at OTC with Brit Jake Heyward.
On 12 July 2022, Amos was provisionally suspended from competition by the Athletics Integrity Unit after he tested positive for GW1516, a banned hormone and metabolic modulator that is not approved for use in humans.[15] On 3 May 2023, it was announced that he had received backdated three-year doping ban which would end on 11 July 2025.[2]