Honest assessment: she looked good, smoked a B-level field of US women, some who’ve run under 15 by a good bit. Led probably the last 2K if not more. Shes in good form and if altitude goes well she might get to 144x shape.
That is feasible.
Tuohy, Elly Henes, and Hartman are training together in Park City this summer so we’ll see.
How is the women's 5,000 strong right now? Who are the elite American 5,000 runners?
No one cares about the 5K. The 1500 is the star of the meet. If you aren’t fast enough in that event you’re forced to move up to an event no one watches
I used to think this was true then I watched the recent 1500 finals for both women and men at the NCAA's. They trotted around the track and then turned it into a 400. Awful races and the low points of the distance events. The 5k's were far more compelling as were all the distance events. Not sure why athletes don't talk to one another, agree that one and then another will take some fast laps and then prevent the 400 sprint finish where only 1-2 racers in the field have a legitimate chance of winning. I thought coaches at the elite level suggested tactics? How is is it tactical for most participants to race in a way that gives them no chance of winning?
I mean, isn’t it her indoor 3k? As someone who set NCAA records in the mile/3k/5k, it’s probably her sweet spot, plus she was absolutely on fire having won the NCAA 5k and XC dominantly, and iirc the 3k was in a super fast race where I think monson set the 3k AR. So all of that, plus being indoors gives it an extra boost for WA points. It’s worth around a 14:4x 5k, and I think she showed tonight she’s at least in 14:5x shape 6 weeks from USAs.
The women’s 5k is pretty strong right now, especially since Andrews just ran like 14:25. I don’t think Tuohy will be able to make the team this year, but if she stays healthy for the next year, I think she’s 1000% talented enough to make a team. I know we all have Valbymania (and for good reason), but before Valby had the greatest season ever, Tuohy won 4 titles in 9 months and set 3 NCAA records. Talent doesn’t go away.
How is the women's 5,000 strong right now? Who are the elite American 5,000 runners?
Again, how is the American women strong now?
You have a 14:25 and the rest are 14:45 or slower. You have American men who can run withing 10 seconds of the WR and the American women are not even in the ball park.
No one cares about the 5K. The 1500 is the star of the meet. If you aren’t fast enough in that event you’re forced to move up to an event no one watches
I used to think this was true then I watched the recent 1500 finals for both women and men at the NCAA's. They trotted around the track and then turned it into a 400. Awful races and the low points of the distance events. The 5k's were far more compelling as were all the distance events. Not sure why athletes don't talk to one another, agree that one and then another will take some fast laps and then prevent the 400 sprint finish where only 1-2 racers in the field have a legitimate chance of winning. I thought coaches at the elite level suggested tactics? How is is it tactical for most participants to race in a way that gives them no chance of winning?
ha ha. well it is a tactic, perhaps a poor one for most to employ.
She may not have a lot of improvement left in her. I expect she will post some PRs going forward but it would not be that unusual to see her progress stall as she gets down to 14:50.
There have been many runners who did not continue to improve after 25. Depends upon the individual.
She may not have a lot of improvement left in her. I expect she will post some PRs going forward but it would not be that unusual to see her progress stall as she gets down to 14:50.
There have been many runners who did not continue to improve after 25. Depends upon the individual.
I think her ceiling is 14:50-14:55, and that would require perfect conditions. We’ll see if she ever gets there.
I would agree with this. She ain't ever running 14:30 or faster. She has been running like forever and you would already know what she is capable of. 14:50 is her max.
Linden Hall just won a DL race and there are Americans on a similar level
Alicia Monson is the only American we've had for awhile who was genuinely world class over 5000. Seems like she's gotten the OAC injury bug though. Hoping at least one of Valby, Tuohy, or Hedengren can make the jump in the next 3-4 years though. I really like this performance from Tuohy because she genuinely crushed the field and looked to have 20+ seconds in the tank - if she's on the uphill part of her improvement curve for a year or two she could definitely get down to 14:30 or faster. She's had a strong kick in her arsenal for awhile so I would feel a lot better about a 14:30 Tuohy's chances on the global stage than a 14:20 Monson.
That seems overly optimistic given the last two years. Her final 1600 was 4:39 pace which is good, but she grimaced closing in 68s... Its been 2 years since she pr'd so hard to predict anything.
I do think however if she had been right behind the pacer instead of donahue and the others she may have atleast broken 15 in this race or come close. The pacing was off (and the leaders fell off the pace) which messed things up.
talent is there but looked a little overweight for a world class distance runner...if going to the next level, she needs to be fit!
I was at the meet. She didn't look overweight at all. The noticeable thing about how she looked was that she was ripped. She was by far the most muscular of the women in that race.
My wife was the one who commented on the wide arm carriage and jacked shoulders. So no, not "overweight" at all in the usual definition. She just looked very, very strong.
No one cares about the 5K. The 1500 is the star of the meet. If you aren’t fast enough in that event you’re forced to move up to an event no one watches
I used to think this was true then I watched the recent 1500 finals for both women and men at the NCAA's. They trotted around the track and then turned it into a 400. Awful races and the low points of the distance events. The 5k's were far more compelling as were all the distance events. Not sure why athletes don't talk to one another, agree that one and then another will take some fast laps and then prevent the 400 sprint finish where only 1-2 racers in the field have a legitimate chance of winning. I thought coaches at the elite level suggested tactics? How is is it tactical for most participants to race in a way that gives them no chance of winning?
Runners from different schools and countries are not going to work together. They would just be setting up the other runners to take the medals.
The reason the less talented runners don’t push the pace, is that they don’t want to suffer the humiliation of getting passed by six guys during the last lap.
How is the women's 5,000 strong right now? Who are the elite American 5,000 runners?
Again, how is the American women strong now?
You have a 14:25 and the rest are 14:45 or slower. You have American men who can run withing 10 seconds of the WR and the American women are not even in the ball park.
i wonder if the issue is that American has more women involved in a combination of soccer, basketball, softball and volleyball than most other nations.
She may not have a lot of improvement left in her. I expect she will post some PRs going forward but it would not be that unusual to see her progress stall as she gets down to 14:50.
There have been many runners who did not continue to improve after 25. Depends upon the individual.
She won’t be 25 until March of 2027.
Yes. This is why I said she may well improve on some PRs. Would not be unusual to stall after the next 18mos. IMO, 14:50 is very reachable. Not sure if she gets lower than that but I hope so.
I think her ceiling is 14:50-14:55, and that would require perfect conditions. We’ll see if she ever gets there.
Seriously? She just ran a 15:04 off a modest start and had to run the last 1000m all by herself in a low-key meet with nobody to push her...
ran 5:53 for last 2000, by herself. that's 14:42 pace. she's definitely in sub 15 pace. Something like 14:58 could be a decent over/under for her fitness in that race.
Linden Hall just won a DL race and there are Americans on a similar level
Alicia Monson is the only American we've had for awhile who was genuinely world class over 5000. Seems like she's gotten the OAC injury bug though. Hoping at least one of Valby, Tuohy, or Hedengren can make the jump in the next 3-4 years though. I really like this performance from Tuohy because she genuinely crushed the field and looked to have 20+ seconds in the tank - if she's on the uphill part of her improvement curve for a year or two she could definitely get down to 14:30 or faster. She's had a strong kick in her arsenal for awhile so I would feel a lot better about a 14:30 Tuohy's chances on the global stage than a 14:20 Monson.
Hartman should also be considered as someone that could make the jump. I believe that she just recently turned 21 and did not pick up running until the 8th or 9th grade. She has a lot of potential to improve and once she becomes more tactically sound will be a better racer.
If KT had been able to get to the rail earlier she would have been able to save some gas for a faster last mile and new pr. Not always easy to get to the rail. Great race!
Alicia Monson is the only American we've had for awhile who was genuinely world class over 5000. Seems like she's gotten the OAC injury bug though. Hoping at least one of Valby, Tuohy, or Hedengren can make the jump in the next 3-4 years though. I really like this performance from Tuohy because she genuinely crushed the field and looked to have 20+ seconds in the tank - if she's on the uphill part of her improvement curve for a year or two she could definitely get down to 14:30 or faster. She's had a strong kick in her arsenal for awhile so I would feel a lot better about a 14:30 Tuohy's chances on the global stage than a 14:20 Monson.
Hartman should also be considered as someone that could make the jump. I believe that she just recently turned 21 and did not pick up running until the 8th or 9th grade. She has a lot of potential to improve and once she becomes more tactically sound will be a better racer.
As I pointed out above she will also be training with Tuohy & Elly Henes at altitude this summer. She should be strong in cross this upcoming fall and next year.