Divide your pay by how many hours you spend doing it please.
let us know.
I did That once (honestly, my wife did.) It came out to .75 cents an hour. But when receipts for “incidental” were tallied it went in the red. She played the “You’re taking our child’s shoe money to give somebody else’s kid running shoes!” card. It wasn’t just shoes. Kind of a cheap shot I thought, but eventually I had to bail. Either that or take on another job.
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It's an overly complicated system. Each of the coaching positions is given a points rating from 30 to 90. The points rating maps to a stipend which steps up each consecutive year of experience up to 3 years experience. So for example a points rating of 50 equates to following:
$6,200 (1 years experience)
$6,900 (2 years experience)
$7,700 (>2 years experience)
It's less about the pay system and more about the relative ranking for the coaches in different sports. The head coaching positions range from a low of 40 (golf, skiing) to a high of 90 (football). Track and field is set at 60. Seems like this district values "team sports" (e.g., lacrosse, basketball) more than individual sports (track, swimming).
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Divide your pay by how many hours you spend doing it please.
let us know.
I did That once (honestly, my wife did.) It came out to .75 cents an hour. But when receipts for “incidental” were tallied it went in the red. She played the “You’re taking our child’s shoe money to give somebody else’s kid running shoes!” card. It wasn’t just shoes. Kind of a cheap shot I thought, but eventually I had to bail. Either that or take on another job.
It's an overly complicated system. Each of the coaching positions is given a points rating from 30 to 90. The points rating maps to a stipend which steps up each consecutive year of experience up to 3 years experience. So for example a points rating of 50 equates to following:
$6,200 (1 years experience)
$6,900 (2 years experience)
$7,700 (>2 years experience)
It's less about the pay system and more about the relative ranking for the coaches in different sports. The head coaching positions range from a low of 40 (golf, skiing) to a high of 90 (football). Track and field is set at 60. Seems like this district values "team sports" (e.g., lacrosse, basketball) more than individual sports (track, swimming).
I find it sad that they do that. A coach still has the time commitment, the administrative duties, the athletes, but the pay is lower. Track often has as many kids as football, and definitely more than most other team sports. To pay the coach less is a shame. Add in the supervision of athletes on a field of competition that is larger than all other sports except golf and XC, and the districts are setting someone up for a negligence lawsuit.
It's an overly complicated system. Each of the coaching positions is given a points rating from 30 to 90. The points rating maps to a stipend which steps up each consecutive year of experience up to 3 years experience. So for example a points rating of 50 equates to following:
$6,200 (1 years experience)
$6,900 (2 years experience)
$7,700 (>2 years experience)
It's less about the pay system and more about the relative ranking for the coaches in different sports. The head coaching positions range from a low of 40 (golf, skiing) to a high of 90 (football). Track and field is set at 60. Seems like this district values "team sports" (e.g., lacrosse, basketball) more than individual sports (track, swimming).
interesting. we have a 4 year step plan. step 1 is around half of step 4, with fairly even increments between.
Football, bball and wrestling make around 30% more than track, baseball, volleyball.
cross is on a very low tier, about 50% of football, along with bowling, golf, and cheerleading. Which is frustrating, because bowling and golf are only 2 or 3 days per week. The matches are earlier in the day. And no weekends. And they are also leisure activities, which is a little nicer to coach than motivating kids to run 8x800, 10 miles, etc.
Assistants and JV typically make around 2/3 of head.
Middle school is 1/2 to 2/3 of varsity pay, but for 50-60% length of season. It's really where the value is if you're just coaching for a paycheck.
It's an overly complicated system. Each of the coaching positions is given a points rating from 30 to 90. The points rating maps to a stipend which steps up each consecutive year of experience up to 3 years experience. So for example a points rating of 50 equates to following:
$6,200 (1 years experience)
$6,900 (2 years experience)
$7,700 (>2 years experience)
It's less about the pay system and more about the relative ranking for the coaches in different sports. The head coaching positions range from a low of 40 (golf, skiing) to a high of 90 (football). Track and field is set at 60. Seems like this district values "team sports" (e.g., lacrosse, basketball) more than individual sports (track, swimming).
I find it sad that they do that. A coach still has the time commitment, the administrative duties, the athletes, but the pay is lower. Track often has as many kids as football, and definitely more than most other team sports. To pay the coach less is a shame. Add in the supervision of athletes on a field of competition that is larger than all other sports except golf and XC, and the districts are setting someone up for a negligence lawsuit.
There are schools near mine that pay all sports the same based on either Varsity, JV, or middle school. Set rate per week. So if your season is longer, you make more. But football is not more than golf, cross, soccer, etc. on a per week basis.
I think some sports have a larger time commitment though. A lot of thought would need to go into the process of equalizing the pay by time commitment.
awhile ago, I think i figured out that I make around 30 per hour for outdoor track, 20 per hour for cross, and 7 per hour for indoor track.
^^^ incorrect. I coached for a couple of seasons after college and did the math. Planning workouts, needy athletes, head-butting with other coaches, driving time and of course, all in-season Saturdays shot from sun-up to sun-down @ invitationals = .07 cents an hour. Was still a blast tho and will probably do it again for free after I retire.
Divide your pay by how many hours you spend doing it please.
let us know.
I did That once (honestly, my wife did.) It came out to .75 cents an hour. But when receipts for “incidental” were tallied it went in the red. She played the “You’re taking our child’s shoe money to give somebody else’s kid running shoes!” card. It wasn’t just shoes. Kind of a cheap shot I thought, but eventually I had to bail. Either that or take on another job.
The math on being a track coach rarely if ever works out in your favor. You could make more money and have less stress just taking on a part time retail job. But the dollars are just part of the loss, it's the TIME!
If you have kids would you rather be at a track meet all day or spending time at your own kid's activities? Taking care of yourself (working out, etc..)
The burn rate on coaches is high, the pay is low, and the thanks are few. The ADs generally just do not want the xc or track team to be a problem, but they have zero care about performance. Track coaches are rarely fired for performance, it is only when a real problem occurs that they may be relieved of their duties.
awhile ago, I think i figured out that I make around 30 per hour for outdoor track, 20 per hour for cross, and 7 per hour for indoor track.
^^^ incorrect. I coached for a couple of seasons after college and did the math. Planning workouts, needy athletes, head-butting with other coaches, driving time and of course, all in-season Saturdays shot from sun-up to sun-down @ invitationals = .07 cents an hour. Was still a blast tho and will probably do it again for free after I retire.
again, I understand why people count the outside of practice/meets planning in their pay. But the way I figure it, the district doesn't even care if our sport does a good job. They're not paying us to plan. The pay would be the same for a sh!tty coach who just punches the clock. So I only count the hours when Im with the kids when I'm breaking down the hourly rate. That includes time on the bus.
Not my own drive time. Everybody has to drive to work. Well, everybody who doesn't work from home.
~$4,500 for head coach, ~$2,250 for assistant. T&F gets one head and two assistants. XC gets one head & one assistant. My wife and I are head, assistant for XC, and head and one of the assistants for T&F. So we make ~$13,500 as a family for the year of coaching (no indoor T&F here).
During the season we're at the track for ~2.5 hrs on practice days. We're semi-rural, so travel to meets is typically at least 2 hours each way. 7-12 meets per season varying between 6 (short XC meet) and 16 hours (long T&F invite) days. State championship weekends are ~50 hours for XC and 85 hours for T&F. While not a contracted part of the job, we also meet with the kids informally 4-5 days per week during the summer and winter off seasons for ~1.5-2 hrs of "general conditioning". There's also all of the planning, logistics, paperwork, and that junk, but I don't have a very good estimate on that other than more time than I probably should (because of my own inefficiencies).
awhile ago, I think i figured out that I make around 30 per hour for outdoor track, 20 per hour for cross, and 7 per hour for indoor track.
^^^ incorrect. I coached for a couple of seasons after college and did the math. Planning workouts, needy athletes, head-butting with other coaches, driving time and of course, all in-season Saturdays shot from sun-up to sun-down @ invitationals = .07 cents an hour. Was still a blast tho and will probably do it again for free after I retire.
Do you get paid $100 for the season? or does your season go January-July?
I'm not sure how you could get to 7 cents (which I think is what you meant, not 7 hundreths of a cent) per hour. Our season is ~13 weeks.
We practice 6 days a week. If I assume 2 hours for every practice (many are actually shorter), that's 12 hours of practice per week. Sometimes instead of practice, I'm at a meet until as late as 9:00pm, and we sometimes have 2 meets in a week. All together that's up to 20 hours per week of meets and practices. I spend about an hour every Sunday planning the week, and a bit of time here and there on various other tasks. All together, the maximum is just over 20 hours per week, but the average is in the mid teens. 16*13 = 208. 4000/208 = 19.20/hour. Not great but not even close to what you're saying.
I make 10k and work 15 hours a week on average. I just work efficiently I guess.
15 hours per week? You must be a lazy coach. Our staff puts in closer to 20 hours in weeks where we have meets.
To answer the original question. I will share what coaches at my school discovered. We all took the stipend and divided it by the amount of hours worked. Most of us were making $1 per hour, with football and basketball a little over $1.50 per hour. We took that information to a board, and they gave us a raise. Now, we all make almost $2 per hour. Neighboring schools make a lot more. We are just in a cheap county. I know some schools that pay stipends based on experience. That would be nice.
Lol well if being lazy is having several state championships and regularly sending runners to college imagine if I wasn't so lazy!
I said I average 15/week. So yes, sometimes I might hit 20 on meet weeks. High school coaches act like they're martyrs for the sport. If you're working over 20 hours per week then you're simply inefficient and that's probably why you don't get paid what I do. Texting your athletes on a Saturday, "did you do your long run?" Does not count as real work. Buying a pizza and Gatorade from the concession stand or hospitality tent doesn't count as work either.
- 10-12 hours per week of practice time. That's over 2 hours a day for 5 days a week, which is plenty of time to do what you need to do.
- Another 6-8 hours when there's a meet. Most of that is just standing around and keeping your athletes locked in. We get paid extra when we host meets since we do a lot of set up and management for them. I didn't include that in the salary.
Lets not glorify the amount of hours you stand around and think about track.
15 hours per week? You must be a lazy coach. Our staff puts in closer to 20 hours in weeks where we have meets.
To answer the original question. I will share what coaches at my school discovered. We all took the stipend and divided it by the amount of hours worked. Most of us were making $1 per hour, with football and basketball a little over $1.50 per hour. We took that information to a board, and they gave us a raise. Now, we all make almost $2 per hour. Neighboring schools make a lot more. We are just in a cheap county. I know some schools that pay stipends based on experience. That would be nice.
Lol well if being lazy is having several state championships and regularly sending runners to college imagine if I wasn't so lazy!
I said I average 15/week. So yes, sometimes I might hit 20 on meet weeks. High school coaches act like they're martyrs for the sport. If you're working over 20 hours per week then you're simply inefficient and that's probably why you don't get paid what I do. Texting your athletes on a Saturday, "did you do your long run?" Does not count as real work. Buying a pizza and Gatorade from the concession stand or hospitality tent doesn't count as work either.
- 10-12 hours per week of practice time. That's over 2 hours a day for 5 days a week, which is plenty of time to do what you need to do.
- Another 6-8 hours when there's a meet. Most of that is just standing around and keeping your athletes locked in. We get paid extra when we host meets since we do a lot of set up and management for them. I didn't include that in the salary.
Lets not glorify the amount of hours you stand around and think about track.
Tell me you are not a coach without telling me that you are not a coach.
Lol well if being lazy is having several state championships and regularly sending runners to college imagine if I wasn't so lazy!
I said I average 15/week. So yes, sometimes I might hit 20 on meet weeks. High school coaches act like they're martyrs for the sport. If you're working over 20 hours per week then you're simply inefficient and that's probably why you don't get paid what I do. Texting your athletes on a Saturday, "did you do your long run?" Does not count as real work. Buying a pizza and Gatorade from the concession stand or hospitality tent doesn't count as work either.
- 10-12 hours per week of practice time. That's over 2 hours a day for 5 days a week, which is plenty of time to do what you need to do.
- Another 6-8 hours when there's a meet. Most of that is just standing around and keeping your athletes locked in. We get paid extra when we host meets since we do a lot of set up and management for them. I didn't include that in the salary.
Lets not glorify the amount of hours you stand around and think about track.
Tell me you are not a coach without telling me that you are not a coach.
If that's so far off, explain where you spend additional time instead of just making snarky comments. It feels like a lot since it's on top of the regular work day, but what grandslam said matches with my experience.
I wouldn't be a teacher if I wasn't a coach so I kind of feel like all my pay is because I'm a coach. I make more money than I made as a D1 assistant and it is much more stable. NCAA is a mess right now.
15 hours per week? You must be a lazy coach. Our staff puts in closer to 20 hours in weeks where we have meets.
To answer the original question. I will share what coaches at my school discovered. We all took the stipend and divided it by the amount of hours worked. Most of us were making $1 per hour, with football and basketball a little over $1.50 per hour. We took that information to a board, and they gave us a raise. Now, we all make almost $2 per hour. Neighboring schools make a lot more. We are just in a cheap county. I know some schools that pay stipends based on experience. That would be nice.
Lol well if being lazy is having several state championships and regularly sending runners to college imagine if I wasn't so lazy!
I said I average 15/week. So yes, sometimes I might hit 20 on meet weeks. High school coaches act like they're martyrs for the sport. If you're working over 20 hours per week then you're simply inefficient and that's probably why you don't get paid what I do. Texting your athletes on a Saturday, "did you do your long run?" Does not count as real work. Buying a pizza and Gatorade from the concession stand or hospitality tent doesn't count as work either.
- 10-12 hours per week of practice time. That's over 2 hours a day for 5 days a week, which is plenty of time to do what you need to do.
- Another 6-8 hours when there's a meet. Most of that is just standing around and keeping your athletes locked in. We get paid extra when we host meets since we do a lot of set up and management for them. I didn't include that in the salary.
Lets not glorify the amount of hours you stand around and think about track.
Plenty of Head Coaches out there that have Assistants that care more then they do. They have assistants running around doing all the work and the actual coaching and then brag about all the accomplishments and how they don't have to work very much to do it "all".
I used to coach at a school that paid <$3k. I have another job that pays fairly well, and so for me I viewed it as a volunteer position and the stipend covered my expenses. But I pointed out to the school district that their fee structure almost certainly violated minimum wage laws. Which is probably true at a lot of schools. XC isn’t so bad, but for track, if you’re there every day, and you go to 10 meets and state, the time commitment is massive.
Divide your pay by how many hours you spend doing it please.
let us know.
I make 10k and work 15 hours a week on average. I just work efficiently I guess.
A weekend Saturday track meet, from loading the bus and departing to unloading upon return, can typically take 13 or 14 hours. You're being disingenuous or you are really, really lazy. I've routinely put in 25 to 30 hours in a track week.