Jakob closes 3k in 1’49/2’19

Ruxton Towers XC wrote:

Qere wrote:

I hope some of you recognize that the first 2000m was run at a pace which Jakob Kiplimo could possibly run for 25K, as it is slower than his half marathon pace.

Yes. This is a good point. The pace for the first 2km was so slow that no lactate was building up at all.

This was well explained in that Breaking 2 movie. When a runner is not producing lactate, they can "hold a pace" until they run out of blood glucose. So in a 3km, there is no problem at all for Jakob at that effort.

It was like a warm up run for him prior to that final 800.

That said, his previous three days have been hard and he has raced three times. That is actually the more impressive feat. Coming back from day after day of racing is so hard.

Curious_Cat wrote:

I have always held onto the belief that Jakob's road to another 1500m world title is to take it relatively easy for the first 700m and then make the last 800m an ultimate endurance grind ala el g. Glad he practiced it. Btw el g only Olympic 1500m win was also a 3:34 race. Though that was a 1:46 last 800m, Jakob had a 1500m final, 3000 heat as well as another 1500m en route so who knows how much he could've run faster. No guarantee (even El g barely held off Lagat then), but at least more reliable or even viable than frontrunning or sit-and-kick.

Ruxton Towers XC wrote:

Qere wrote:

I hope some of you recognize that the first 2000m was run at a pace which Jakob Kiplimo could possibly run for 25K, as it is slower than his half marathon pace.

Yes. This is a good point. The pace for the first 2km was so slow that no lactate was building up at all.

This was well explained in that Breaking 2 movie. When a runner is not producing lactate, they can "hold a pace" until they run out of blood glucose. So in a 3km, there is no problem at all for Jakob at that effort.

It was like a warm up run for him prior to that final 800.

That said, his previous three days have been hard and he has raced three times. That is actually the more impressive feat. Coming back from day after day of racing is so hard.

Old Hack wrote:

Vhjvhb wrote:

Fisher’s 1500m PB is 3:33.99, so he could not

You're new to this sport aren't you. PR's aren't absolute, they are a current data point. Fisher has huge upside. Besides, 1500m times don't matter when it comes to a kicking. Fisher proved that against Hocker.

rkjk wrote:

Ruxton Towers XC wrote:

Yes. This is a good point. The pace for the first 2km was so slow that no lactate was building up at all.

This was well explained in that Breaking 2 movie. When a runner is not producing lactate, they can "hold a pace" until they run out of blood glucose. So in a 3km, there is no problem at all for Jakob at that effort.

It was like a warm up run for him prior to that final 800.

That said, his previous three days have been hard and he has raced three times. That is actually the more impressive feat. Coming back from day after day of racing is so hard.

Mo Farah closed in 2:19 quite regularly.. it's why he has 3 x the Olympic medals that Jakob has.

Qere wrote:

objectiveobserver wrote:

Why don´t you list the current and retired runners you think could do it and then produce some evidence for your claim.

I don´t say you are wrong (I don´t know) but you must provide some numbers to make your claim probable.

I don´t think thare are many runners who have closed a 3000m in low 2:19.

5:29 and then 2:19

Hicham, Lagat, Farah, Kenenisa, Geb, Komen, Morceli could all have done it. Especially with today’s shoe tech.

objectiveobserver wrote:

Qere wrote:

5:29 and then 2:19

Hicham, Lagat, Farah, Kenenisa, Geb, Komen, Morceli could all have done it. Especially with today’s shoe tech.

You are still not providing any numbers to make your claim probable.

I will. however, grant you that Hicham, Lagat, Farah, Komen and Morceli at their peak shape possibly could run 2:19/ 1:49.

But Bekele and Geb? Can you find any CHAMPIONSHIP race outdoor or indoor where they came even close to these times.

It can´t be Bekele´s 2008 Olympic 5000m gold race since he ran 2:25.30/ 1:54.81 in that occasion.

objectiveobserver wrote:

Qere wrote:

5:29 and then 2:19

Hicham, Lagat, Farah, Kenenisa, Geb, Komen, Morceli could all have done it. Especially with today’s shoe tech.

You are still not providing any numbers to make your claim probable.

I will. however, grant you that Hicham, Lagat, Farah, Komen and Morceli at their peak shape possibly could run 2:19/ 1:49.

But Bekele and Geb? Can you find any CHAMPIONSHIP race outdoor or indoor where they came even close to these times.

It can´t be Bekele´s 2008 Olympic 5000m gold race since he ran 2:25.30/ 1:54.81 in that occasion.

Qere wrote:

objectiveobserver wrote:

Why don´t you list the current and retired runners you think could do it and then produce some evidence for your claim.

I don´t say you are wrong (I don´t know) but you must provide some numbers to make your claim probable.

I don´t think thare are many runners who have closed a 3000m in low 2:19.

5:29 and then 2:19

Hicham, Lagat, Farah, Kenenisa, Geb, Komen, Morceli could all have done it. Especially with today’s shoe tech.

high school xc coach wrote:

Jakob's 1000/800 splits were impressive, but let's not pretend the other great runners can't match it.

Let's also not pretend it's the best Jakob could have done. He ran what he had to run to beat George Mills.

The question is, could he have gone 1 second faster? 2? 3???

we'll never know unless he's ever put in a position to have to try, while in peak fitness.

THOUGHTSLEADER wrote:

Yeah you got to balance that he did on the penultimate lap tuck in on the turns and get drafted most of it. But the last lap is wild as he has to go wide and is chasing like a madman. Yet he is gaining vs two all-time greats. It's like the Nordas '23 run on E...never mind. Fun to watch.