Please spell out exactly why and how a law predicated on the scientific proposition that people with DSDs all have a sex just like everyone else of our species does - and the sex of people with DSDs like everyone else’s sex can be ascertained based on their reproductive biology and genetics at birth - amounts to denying that people with DSDs exist.
Coz I honestly don’t get it.
"My government documents currently reflect my female gender identity, but under this executive order, I could presumably be forcibly categorized as 'male'."
So the government is telling this person who has lived her entire life as a female that she is actually a man. They are also telling her daughters that their "mother" is actually their father because she is a man. They are also telling her husband that he is in a same-sex marriage with another man.
Or the government is telling that she simply does not exist in the eyes of the federal government.
Can you remind us who was in the White House when Cece Telfer won the NCAA title in 2019? Was it some Democrat?
CeCe Telfer was able to win a women's NCAA national championship in 2019 because in April 2010 the NCAA adopted a policy allowing males like Telfer to compete in women's NCAA sports. Barack Obama was POTUS at the time, and Joe Biden was VPOTUS.
The federal government did not make that policy in 2010. NCAA did. And what did your Orange Hero do in 2019? Absolutely nothing. What did he do when Terry Miller and Andraya Yearwood won a bunch of high school races? Absolutely nothing.
Please spell out exactly why and how a law predicated on the scientific proposition that people with DSDs all have a sex just like everyone else of our species does - and the sex of people with DSDs like everyone else’s sex can be ascertained based on their reproductive biology and genetics at birth - amounts to denying that people with DSDs exist.
Coz I honestly don’t get it.
"My government documents currently reflect my female gender identity, but under this executive order, I could presumably be forcibly categorized as 'male'."
So the government is telling this person who has lived her entire life as a female that she is actually a man. They are also telling her daughters that their "mother" is actually their father because she is a man. They are also telling her husband that he is in a same-sex marriage with another man.
Or the government is telling that she simply does not exist in the eyes of the federal government.
How is this not inhumane and cruel?
If you want that to stop, you should advocate for two things:
1) Get non-DSD transwomen out of women's sports, because they are not women, and are therefore cheating. This will get Republicans to stop caring about this issue so they can go back to worrying about evolution or something. 2) Once that is out of the way, advocate for a reasonable accommodation for actual intersex people. As long as people keep conflating trans people and intersex people, there will never be any progress.
"My government documents currently reflect my female gender identity, but under this executive order, I could presumably be forcibly categorized as 'male'."
So the government is telling this person who has lived her entire life as a female that she is actually a man. They are also telling her daughters that their "mother" is actually their father because she is a man. They are also telling her husband that he is in a same-sex marriage with another man.
Or the government is telling that she simply does not exist in the eyes of the federal government.
How is this not inhumane and cruel?
If you want that to stop, you should advocate for two things:
1) Get non-DSD transwomen out of women's sports, because they are not women, and are therefore cheating. This will get Republicans to stop caring about this issue so they can go back to worrying about evolution or something. 2) Once that is out of the way, advocate for a reasonable accommodation for actual intersex people. As long as people keep conflating trans people and intersex people, there will never be any progress.
No, it won't. They found the most convenient wedge issue that they can exploit for a very long time. Once they are done with sports, they will move on to other trans issues, whether it's health care, bathroom or something else.
CeCe Telfer was able to win a women's NCAA national championship in 2019 because in April 2010 the NCAA adopted a policy allowing males like Telfer to compete in women's NCAA sports. Barack Obama was POTUS at the time, and Joe Biden was VPOTUS.
The federal government did not make that policy in 2010. NCAA did. And what did your Orange Hero do in 2019? Absolutely nothing. What did he do when Terry Miller and Andraya Yearwood won a bunch of high school races? Absolutely nothing.
Once again you're not telling the truth. In fact, you're lying through your teeth.
When Terry Miller and Andraya Yearwood were competing and cleaning up in girls' HS sprints in Connecticut back in 2018 and 2019, the Office of Civil Rights at the federal Department of Education investigated the Connecticut schools and state insitutitions involved in allowing Miller and Yearwood to muscle in on and trounce female athletes in girls' track - all because the two male teenagers said they each had adopted a trans gender identity.
The federal DoEd, then headed by Trump nominee Betsy DeVos, found that CT had violated the Title IX rights of female athletes and informed CT authorities that enforcement action including the possible withdrawal of federal funds to CT school programs was forthcoming.
From Education Week, May 28, 2020:
OCR Letter Says Connecticut’s Policy on Transgender Athletes Violates Title IX
The U.S. Department of Education’s office for civil rights has determined that Connecticut’s interscholastic sports governing body and six school districts violated Title IX with a policy that permits transgender students to compete based on their gender identity.
OCR’s May 15 “letter of impending enforcement action” came to light Thursday. It follows an investigation conducted after a complaint filed on behalf of three female track athletes who alleged that the transgender participation policy of the Connecticut Interscholastic Athletics Association denied them athletic benefits and opportunities in violation of Title IX, which prohibits discrimination based on sex in federally funded educational programs.
The CIAC, “by permitting the participation of biologically male students in girls interscholastic track” under the transgender participation policy “denied female student-athletes benefits and opportunities,” the letter states.
Those benefits and opportunities include advancing to event finals and higher-level regional competitions; the chance to win individual and team state championships; to place higher in such events; to receive awards and other recognition; and possibly to obtain greater visibility to colleges and other benefits, the letter said.
The CIAC, responding to changes in Connecticut law, amended its transgender participation policy in 2013 to defer to a student’s own gender identity and a school district’s determination of the student’s eligibility based on the student’s gender identity in school records and everyday school life.
In 2019, the participation of two transgender athletes who were identified male at birth in the girls’ track competitions prompted complaints from several parents and cisgender female athletes.
The OCR letter details interviews with the three female athletes who filed the complaint and includes page after page of results from the indoor and outdoor track seasons in 2017-18 and 2018-19, masking the identities of complainants and the transgender athletes.
The letter said the participation of the two transgender athletes, identified as Student A and Student B, had the most impact on a complainant described as Student 2.
“Specifically, Student A’s 1st place finish, in the finals of the 2018-2019 Outdoor Class S Statewide Championship for the 100-meter dash and the 200-meter dash, denied Student 2, who placed 2nd in both events, the benefit of a 1st place finish,” the letter states. “And Student A’s and Student B’s 1st and 2nd place finishes, in the 2018-2019 Indoor State Open Championship for the 55-meter dash, denied an opportunity for Student 2, who placed 3rd, to place 1st in the event and receive the benefit of a 1st place medal.”
"Denying a female student a chance to win a championship is inconsistent with Title IX’s mandate of equal opportunity for both sexes,” states the letter, which was signed by Timothy C.J. Blanchard, the director of OCR’s regional office in New York City.
The letter notes that OCR issued the enforcement action after the “failure” of the CIAC and the six school districts—Glastonbury, Bloomfield, Canton, Cromwell, Danbury, and Hartford—to “resolve the identified areas of noncompliance.”
OCR will either begin proceedings to terminate or defer federal financial assistance to the districts and the CIAC, which is both a direct and indirect recipient of federal aid, or will “refer the cases to the U.S. Department of Justice for judicial proceedings to enforce any rights of the United States under its laws,” the letter states.
The three female athletes who were the complainants to OCR have also sued the CIAC and several school districts [in federal court] raising the same Title IX claim. In that suit, President Donald Trump’s administration filed a statement of interest in March that said the CIAC’s transgender policy and its incorrect interpretation of Title IX prevents schools from taking account of “the real physiological differences between men and women.”
[UPDATED Friday 10:15 a.m.] Chelsea Mitchell, one of the female track athletes represented by the Alliance Defending Freedom [in the complaint and federal lawsuit against CT school authorities who allowed male athletes to compete in female school sports because the males claimed to be trans] said in a statement that she was “extremely happy and relieved” by the OCR’s stance.
“It feels like we are finally headed in the right direction, and that we will be able to get justice for the countless girls along with myself that have faced discrimination for years,” Mitchell said. “It is liberating to know that my voice, my story, my loss, has been heard; that those championships I lost mean something.”
The Associated Press noted Thursday that Mitchell won two indoor state track title races earlier this year over one of the transgender athletes, Miller.
The CIAC, in a statement on its website, said the association “adopted its inclusive sports participation policy for transgender athletes in accordance with federal and state guidance and consistent with its commitment to providing opportunities for sports participation to all student athletes in Connecticut.”
The association said state law “is clear and students who identify as female are to be recognized as female for all purposes-including high school sports.”
Meanwhile, the American Civil Liberties Union has intervened in the legal case in U.S. district court in Hartford on behalf of the two transgender athletes, Terry Miller and Andraya Yearwood.
“All that today’s finding represents is yet another attack from the Trump administration on transgender students,” said Chase Strangio, the deputy director for Trans Justice with the ACLU’s LGBT & HIV Project. "[Secretary Betsy] DeVos’s Department of Education is wrong on the law, and we will continue to defend transgender students under Title IX and the Constitution. Trans students belong in our schools, including on sports teams, and we aren’t backing down from this fight.”
The U.S. Department of Education's office for civil rights says that Connecticut's interscholastic sports governing body violates Title IX with its transgender participation policy.
Also, for the umpteenth time, stop trying to make it appear as though I and every other woman who dares to say we disagree with the misogynistic, male-supremacist agenda you're pushing in the name of "trans rights" are all a bunch of rightwing reactionaries who see Donald Trump as our "Orange Hero."
Along with all the outright lying you routinely do about matters of recorded fact, you're really not doing your own side or your own personal credibility any favors by constantly trying to portray me and other women as unreasonable, heartless, imbecilic and ignorant reactionary nutjobs simply because we are pushing back against the dishonesty, bullying tactics, bad-faith arguments and mountain of total BS that you and other members of the Church of Genderology are using to try to force us to accept the regressive, sexist, misogynistic gender identity ideology you think should be the state religion.
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Oh my god, why are Democrats OBSESSED with this issue? There are more important things to focus on!
I wish we were not so stupid, or didn't have so many stupid people that these things work as divide an conquer strategies, but even more than half my family relations , blood relatives and inlaws, fall for them hook line and sinker.
"My government documents currently reflect my female gender identity, but under this executive order, I could presumably be forcibly categorized as 'male'."
So the government is telling this person who has lived her entire life as a female that she is actually a man. They are also telling her daughters that their "mother" is actually their father because she is a man. They are also telling her husband that he is in a same-sex marriage with another man.
Or the government is telling that she simply does not exist in the eyes of the federal government.
How is this not inhumane and cruel?
Again, you're lying when you claim that Kimberly Zieselman "has lived her entire life as a female."
Kimberly Zieselman's social media profiles say that KZ is an "intersex woman, lawyer, and human rights advocate," an "intersex woman, attorney, advocate and author of XOXY," and an"intersex woman and Senior Advisor for Global Intersex Rights at Outright International."
Kimberly Zieselman's Wikipedia page says that KZ "is an attorney, human rights advocate, author, and intersex woman, with androgen insensitivity syndrome."
Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome (AIS) is a male-only DSD. It's not a condition that females can have.
There are three kinds of AIS: Complete, Partial and Mild, aka CAIS, PAIS and MAIS for short.
AIS is caused by any one of a number of mutations to the androgen receptor gene that prevent the androgen receptors in the cells of affected males from working properly.
The androgen receptor gene is on the X chromsome. Therefore, males with the standard kartoype for their sex - 46,XY - have only one AR gene. If the AR gene in a male is mutated in a way that impairs androgen receptor function, some form of AIS will result.
But since the most common karotypes in female humans are 46,XX and 47,XXX, members of the female sex in our species typically have a second or third AR gene that is normal and non-mutated to fall back on if the AR gene on one of our X chromosomes has one of the mutations that would prevent the androgen receptors in our cells from working properly if we only had one AR gene.
In the highly unlikely event that female person were to have mutations of both/all her copies of the AR gene, it still wouldn't result in a DSD because female sex development is not dependent on the ability of cells and tissues to respond to androgens. So the exact same mutations of the AR gene that impair normal sex development in male humans do not have any affect whatsoever on the sex development of female humans.
The upshot is that females cannot have the DSD conditions known as AIS - whether CAIS, PAIS or MAIS.
Females can and do have the same exact genetic mutations of the androgen receptor gene on the X chromosome that cause all forms of AIS in males. In fact, in 70% cases of CAIS, the mutation is directly inherited from the mother. But when females have mutations of the AR gene that cause AIS in males, they do not end up with a DSD themselves - although they can pass the mutation on to their offspring, with the result that their male children will have AIS.
All that said, as I have stated many times on LRC, I have compassion and sympathy for people like Kimberly Zieselman, and I support special accommodations being made for them when it comes to legal matters like ID documents and Selective Service registration.
But I also think it's high time that you and everyone else who pretends to give a fig about people with DSDs to stop telling lies about them and the details of their conditions. People with AIS are not female, and thus they don't live their lives as females. They live their lives as people with a vary rare disorder of male sex development. There's no shame in that. It's just the plain, unvarnished truth.
It's no skin off my nose if people like Zieselman are considered girls and women for most purposes socially, particularly if they have CAIS. But at the same time I think it's imporant to keep in mind that if people with AIS and other disorders of male sex development are treated as though they are female in medical settings, they will not get optimal health care.
Moreover, if persons with AIS and other male DSDs are counted as female for purposes of scientific research, medical data collection, drug/therapy trials and epidemiological studies, it really screws up the data and the results - to the detriment of people with DSDs like Zieselman AND to the detriment of all of us who are genuinely female.
I firmly believe that reasonable accommodations can be made so that people like Kimberly Zieselman are not treated unfairly or caused any harm by initiatives which attempt to insure that sex data collected and recorded by the federal, state and local governments in the US are factually accurate, and to insure that sex markers on official IDs serve the purposes for which they're intended.
Whereas you contantly bring up people with rare DSDs like Zieselman so you can use them as gotchas and supposed evidence to back up your oft-stated assertions that there's no such thing as human beings who are female - or if there is, there's no possible way to tell us apart from males with DSDs or to distinguish us from males with trans identities who were put on GnRHa drugs aka "puberty blockers" in adolescence - in order to advance the misogynistic view that there shouldn't be any sports, spaces or services, protections or provisions expressly tailored for the females of our species or any words that exculisvely describe and designate us and only us.
And now you're cynically using people like Zieselman to argue that it's "inhumane and cruel" for sex to be recorded accurately in any government or medical data bases and for accurate sex markers to appear on any official IDs. Because in the daft view that you and other gender identity ideologues hold, when the word "Male" or "Female" or the letter M or F appear in medical records, on documents and in data bases - like the ones kept about live births by state/local departments of vital records, state and local health departments, local and state birth registry offices, and the US Selective Service - these words and letters don't indicate sex. Rather, in the genderist view, the words Male/Female and letters M/F indicate "gender identity" and are meant to reify, validate, affirm and shore up the aspect of internal self-concept and inner sense of femininity or masculinity that some people have that's much like a "gendered soul" - and in many cases today is a product of pure fantasy and wishful thinking that bears no relation to material reality.
Unfortunately, Zieselman seems to have bought in to the same belief system as yours, and thus has mistaken the M/F and Male/Female sex markers on government documents for signifiers that are meant to prove, validate and affirm gender identity rather than a simple and neutral statement of biological fact. Or at least that's the impression given when Zieselman posted, "My government documents currently reflect my female gender identity."
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CeCe Telfer was able to win a women's NCAA national championship in 2019 because in April 2010 the NCAA adopted a policy allowing males like Telfer to compete in women's NCAA sports. Barack Obama was POTUS at the time, and Joe Biden was VPOTUS.
The federal government did not make that policy in 2010. NCAA did. And what did your Orange Hero do in 2019? Absolutely nothing. What did he do when Terry Miller and Andraya Yearwood won a bunch of high school races? Absolutely nothing.
For the record, one month and two days into Trump's first term as POTUS in 2017, the acting heads of the Office of Civil Rights at the US Department of Justice and Office of Civil Rights at the US Department of Education issued a joint directive formally rescinding the "transgender inclusion" directives and guidance issued by the Obama adminstration in 2015 and 2016. In those documents, the Obama adminstration told US schools and education programs that receive federal funds that from now on, they must allow students who say they have a trans gender identity to use all sex-segregated school facilties meant for the opposite sex, and to participate in all educational programs meant for the opposite sex, including PE, sex ed sessions, athletics/sports - and if schools and states fail to do so, they will lose federal funding and be investigated for violating US civil rights laws.
U.S. Department of Justice Civil Rights Division
U.S. Department of Education Office for Civil Rights
February 22, 2017
Dear Colleague:
The purpose of this guidance is to inform you that the Department of Justice and the Department of Education are withdrawing the statements of policy and guidance reflected in: • Letter to Emily Prince from James A. Ferg-Cadima, Acting Deputy Assistant Secretary for Policy, Office for Civil Rights at the Department of Education dated January 7, 2015; and • Dear Colleague Letter on Transgender Students jointly issued by the Civil Rights Division of the Department of Justice and the Department of Education dated May 13, 2016.
These guidance documents take the position that the prohibitions on discrimination “on the basis of sex” in Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972 (Title IX), 20 U.S.C. § 1681 et seq., and its implementing regulations, see, e.g., 34 C.F.R. § 106.33, require access to sex-segregated facilities based on gender identity.
These guidance documents do not, however, contain extensive legal analysis or explain how the position is consistent with the express language of Title IX, nor did they undergo any formal public process.
This interpretation has given rise to significant litigation regarding school restrooms and locker rooms.
The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fourth Circuit concluded that the term “sex” in the regulations is ambiguous and deferred to what the court characterized as the “novel” interpretation advanced in the guidance.
By contrast, a federal district court in Texas held that the term “sex” unambiguously refers to biological sex and that, in any event, the guidance was “legislative and substantive” and thus formal rulemaking should have occurred prior to the adoption of any such policy. In August of 2016, the Texas court preliminarily enjoined enforcement of the interpretation, and that nationwide injunction has not been overturned.
In addition, the Departments believe that, in this context, there must be due regard for the primary role of the States and local school districts in establishing educational policy.
In these circumstances, the Department of Education and the Department of Justice have decided to withdraw and rescind the above-referenced guidance documents in order to further and more completely consider the legal issues involved. The Departments thus will not rely on the views expressed within them.
Please note that this withdrawal of these guidance documents does not leave students without protections from discrimination, bullying, or harassment. All schools must ensure that all students, including LGBT students, are able to learn and thrive in a safe environment.
The Department of Education Office for Civil Rights will continue its duty under law to hear all claims of discrimination and will explore every appropriate opportunity to protect all students and to encourage civility in our classrooms. The Department of Education and the Department of Justice are committed to the application of Title IX and other federal laws to ensure such protection.
/s/Sandra Battle T.E. Wheeler, II Acting Assistant Secretary for Civil Rights U.S. Department of Education
/s/ T.E. Wheeler, II Acting Assistant Attorney General for Civil Rights U.S. Department of Justice
Does there now exist a branch of Law for Gender matters? Do Law schools have curricula and degrees with Gender matters as an area of concentration and qualification? (Aside from the many "legal experts" on Lr?)
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Why is a Jew named Brian Schatz a U.S. Senator from Hawaii.
Isn't that cultural appropriation?
Nope, it’s settler colonialism.
Hawaii was a sovereign nation annexed by fruit corporation Dole, then handed over to the U.S. at the end of the 19th century. Of course there will be mostly settler-descendants in political power there.
Please spell out exactly why and how a law predicated on the scientific proposition that people with DSDs all have a sex just like everyone else of our species does - and the sex of people with DSDs like everyone else’s sex can be ascertained based on their reproductive biology and genetics at birth - amounts to denying that people with DSDs exist.
Coz I honestly don’t get it.
"My government documents currently reflect my female gender identity, but under this executive order, I could presumably be forcibly categorized as 'male'."
So the government is telling this person who has lived her entire life as a female that she is actually a man. They are also telling her daughters that their "mother" is actually their father because she is a man. They are also telling her husband that he is in a same-sex marriage with another man.
Or the government is telling that she simply does not exist in the eyes of the federal government.
How is this not inhumane and cruel?
I don't think it's inhumane to label anyone truthfully as male or female if that's what they are.....I think this person is beautiful, and there is nothing insulting or cruel objectively stating that she is a male that appears female. What is cruel is brainwashing people into thinking there is something wrong with themselves and that they have to label themselves outside of reality in order to fit in to societal standards of what a female or male looks like. I hope this person, and her family (yes I am using her pronouns to be respectful), learn to accept that she is male and come to terms with it and love themselves for it....I do not see the reason for internal turmoil except that she has not come to terms with her own biological reality yet and has been escaping it by denying that she is male. That in the long run, is counterintuitive and it is not the role of our government to play along with that illusion.
"Republicans argued the bill was essential to protecting women and girls, but also made clear they were bringing it up to portray Democrats as outside the mainstream."
Well, mission accomplished I guess....
Not portraying, THEY ARE OUTSIDE THE MAINSTREAM. Over 80% of the Americans disagree with allowing biological men compete against biological females in certain athletic events.
This isn't rocket science!!! It's common sense!!! No one gives 2 sh^ts if you identify as a woman, dog, cat, pony, snake, snail, etc..... You just can't COMPETE against girls/women in athletic events of which there are potential safety risks and create an unfair physical advantage.
What's going to have to happen is a girl gets seriously SERIOUSLY injured by some guy pretending he's a girl before this foolishnes is stopped.
No daughter of mine is competing against guys, it's ridiculous. As a father of those guys I'd be embarrashed that that is my son
1. You have no logic. You wouldn't want women competing against any XY person, because they are likely to be stronger, on average, but you are OK with women competing against XX people already known to be stronger.
You act like biological differences don't exist between women, which is a ridiculous notion if you have ever seen 110-pound Marie Talou sprint against 160-pound Daphne Schippers.
2. If you raised a child as a daughter as Caster Semenya was, with all reason to believe they were a girl, and they turned out to be XY with a condition like 5-alpha reductase deficiency, you would be embarrassed of them? As a parent myself, you sound disgraceful.
Mainstream liberals don’t understand that 1) trans women competing in women’s divisions varies in how deep of an infraction it is depending on the sport, and 2) that many people actually care about sports deeply for justified reasons. Wrestling for example is a sport where it’s not that much of an infraction for a trans woman to compete with women because they also separate by weight class. As we all know very well, trans women competing against women in running is a ginormous infraction that understand deeply. As a center left progressive guy myself, I think striving for a compromise is best. I think the NCAAs original guidelines were fairly decent:
The following policies clarify participation of transgender student-‐athletes undergoing hormonal treatment for gender transition:
1. A trans male (FTM) student-‐athlete who has received a medical exception for treatment with testosterone for diagnosed Gender Identity Disorder or gender dysphoria and/or Transsexualism, for purposes of NCAA competition may compete on a men’s team, but is no longer eligible to compete on a women’s team without changing that team status to a mixed team.
2. A trans female (MTF) student-‐athlete being treated with testosterone suppression medication for Gender Identity Disorder or gender dysphoria and/or Transsexualism, for the purposes of NCAA competition may continue to compete on a men’s team but may not compete on a women’s team without changing it to a mixed team status until completing one calendar year of testosterone suppression treatment.8 Any transgender student-‐athlete who is not taking hormone treatment related to gender transition may participate in sex-‐separated sports activities in accordance with his or her assigned birth gender. • A trans male (FTM) student-‐athlete who is not taking testosterone related to gender transition may participate on a men’s or women’s team. • A trans female (MTF) transgender student-‐athlete who is not taking hormone treatments related to gender transition may not compete on a women’s team. How would you have improved this without instilling a blanket ban on any trans women from competing with women?
Over 80% of the Americans disagree with allowing biological men compete against biological females in certain athletic events.
Meaningless statement without the actual survey question.
Post the actual survey question.
You know the actual survey question, right?
Right?
I’m not the poster who cited those poll results, but I happen have the info you asked for on hand.
The most recent poll results I'm familiar with say that almost 80% - not "over 80%" - of American adults think that males who claim to have a trans gender identity should not compete in women's sports.
For a NY Times/IPSOS “survey of the American general population (ages 18+)” 2,128 adults in the US were interviewed during the period from January 2 to January 10, 2025.
In Question 32 the survey participants were asked:
"Thinking about transgender female athletes — meaning athletes who were male at birth but who currently identify as female - do you think they should or should not be allowed to compete in women's sports?"
79% of respondents said male athletes who “identify as female”should not be allowed to compete in women’s sports.
18%of respondents said male athletes who “identify as female”should be allowed to compete in women’s sports. said they should be allowed.
4% “refused to answer.”
By political party affiliation or party leaning, the results were:
94% of respondents who said they wrestled Republican or lean Republican, 67% of respondents who said they were Democrats or lean Democrat, and 64% of respondents who said they're Independents or “Something Else” said that male athletes who “identify as female” should not be allowed tocompete in women’s sports.
5% of respondents who said they're Republican or lean Republican, 31% of respondents who said they're Democrats or lean Democrat, and 10% of respondents who said they're Independents or “Something Else” said that male athletes who “identify as female” should be allowed to compete in women’s sports.
Q32 and the responses can be found on page 18 here:
