We should take the minerals for what we have already given them.
That is ridiculous. Like their war torn country needs all the resources they can muster in order to rebuild. They don't need a mob-boss like leader (Trump) coming in and trying to shake them down.
What Trump is doing is unproductiove, unethical, and bad diplomacy.
But I don't expect a paid Russian troll to agree so this is for the benefit of others besides you.
We don't owe Zelenskyy and Ukraine a thing. He's already fleeced us enough. Let him hit of the euros for relief.
F*ck you mean, "Alpha men?" Donald has been sucking Vlad off for years now. Vance is sucking Trump off at the same time. "Alpha men" would throw Putin around for thinking he can pick a fight with us. Instead Trump helps him.
Really? That was awesome? What strategic goal did it further? What interest of the United States was actively advanced by it? You seem to think that a presidential pissing-match is "awesome," but that's because you're more interested in spectacle than strategy. For you, each day's events are one-off bouts, and the winner gets bragging rights. There's no real comprehension of a long game, for Trump or his supporters like you.
For most of us, the sight of the Vice President practically begging for a thank-you card like an aggrieved grandma after Christmas is actively embarrassing. I don't need a thank-you card from Zelenskyy; nobody I know needs a thank-you card; you don't need a thank-you card (I hope); the President of the United States doesn't need a thank-you card. Or, at least, he shouldn't. But in the Trump paradigm, one's worth is determined by their obsequiousness to him, by how far one prostrates oneself in debasement and gratitude. This is called Making America Small Again. I mean it. When our international relationships depend on personal slavishness to Trump and his whims, as opposed to shared principles and long-term national goals, we have become a smaller, meaner, less serious country. It's sad, but it's true.
In the end, the breakdown of talks had to reflect a change of heart for the Trump administration; the pretext (not enough thank yous, too much "litigation" before the American media) was just too pathetic without that justification, even in the context of an almost overwhelmingly pathetic Trump administration. It reveals that Trump was likely never serious about the offer to begin with, or that Putin found a way to make it look like a weak deal. Either way, any half-sentient person can see this episode as another abject failure of what is already, by far, the most failure-ridden presidency in this country's history.
But leave it to GBT and, probably, Adultintheroom to prefer performative masculinity that accomplishes nothing to careful diplomacy that makes us safer, richer, and more respected and trusted globally.
Possibly the most inept example of international diplomacy of all time. Imagine Carter sitting down with Begin and telling him that Israel is going to start WWIII and should thank the US.
If Trump wanted to strong arm Zelensky into a deal, that move would have to be made behind closed doors and could actually be effective. Doing it live on TV just makes Trump look like Putin's poodle and makes Zelensky a hero for standing up to Trump and Vance's low class bullying. But Trump and Vance have no self awareness and couldn't resist the opportunity to make a big show for their M#GA children without realizing that in doing so he is trashing any chance for getting Zelensky to agree to end the conflict.
You should go join Zelenskyy's army. Seems like they are having trouble finding new soldiers.
"Give us all of your oil and lithium for Tesla batteries or we're switching sides."
Who exactly is going to be America's ally after this unprecedented betrayal? We've already significantly set back relations with our two closest trading partners in Canada and Mexico. The EU can't trust us anymore. It's only a matter of time until Trump manages to alienate Japan and South Korea in favor of appeasing his good buddy Kim Jong Un.
We are in the midst of a constitutional crisis domestically, we are quickly becoming isolated internationally, and the economy increasingly appears to be under duress thanks to tariffs, spending cuts, and job losses and overall erratic, corrupt decision-making. We are entering very dangerous times.
Trump and Vance, lickspittle of tyrants, are trying to simultaneously cozen up to Putin whose actions have led to hundreds of thousands of deaths, the destruction of a large country, and millions of refugees, and profit off of this act of appeasement by extorting Zelensky, an actual hero, into giving up mineral rights. It's absolutely disgusting and completely contrary to the values for which this country stands.
Trump's withdrawal of support for Ukraine is very much like Biden's withdrawal from Afghanistan. Both things absolutely needed to happen, but the planning and strategy are failures and embarrassments to the Presidency and the country. We're lead by morons, but we already knew that. At least no American soldiers have died because of Trump's incompetence, and that should matter to everyone.
Trump negotiated that deal.
The deal was for US withdrawal to be complete by May 1, 2021. Then phase 2 would start, with a cease fire.
Biden refused to withdraw by May 1. He said September 11 sounded better. So there was no cease fire, the summer fighting resumed.
Seeing the potential cease fire scotched by Biden's arrogance, Republic forces started deserting and defecting en masse, and were quickly routed. That's why US forces withdrew in a panic.
Every angry Dem on this thread has to admit they didn't know this, at least admit to themselves if not here.
Faux alpha men arouse the beta pvssy Glitter Bomb Turbo. He speaks of these “alpha men” often and more than likely has homoerotic fantasies about them. You can tell that he is in denial and has not accepted his homosexuality and servile ways by the amount of projection that he does. He’ll probably always be a closeted loser.
So here is how I the expert see things, Zelensky went to Pennsylvania to campaign for Harris during the election, a huge mistake and slap in the face to Trump.
Zelensky meets with deep state and Democrats like Brennan, Bolden and Nueman and set this up. Zelensky starts getting ugly and tries and succeeds in turning photo op into a circus. Press conference is now cancelled.
Watch now for Zelensky to meet with Democrats and Depp State officials who want their jobs and titles back so they push the Russian narrative and scream we need to get rid of Trump in a major press conference without Trump.
This was a set up for Trump and he never saw it coming.