BAN International Athletes at colleges?

It's the NATIONAL Collegiate Athletic Association. Should be limited to AMERICANS ONLY.

New Mexico, for example, has ZERO Americans on their men's XC roster. How can anyone justify DENYING opportunities to Americans, especially in-state students whose families have been paying taxes for years.

"According to the National Center for Educational Statistics, more than half of public universities’ revenues — $79 billion — were extracted directly from federal, state, and local taxpayers, while only 18.5 percent came from student fees and tuition."

https://www.cato.org/commentary/taxpayers-carry-college-cost-load

A competition is not required to be open to the entire world without restrictions for it to be meritocracy, and even if that is the definition you want to use, I am not required to be perfectly internally consistent just to please you.

These types of "hypocrisy burns" do not phase me they way you guys seem to think they will. I'm not Milton Freeman or Ayn Rand, I support policies that result in the best outcome for my country, and not just to fit some libertarian ideological requirement. In some areas, such as medicine, maybe that is a pure meritocracy. In regards to college sports, I don't think giving our already few in number athletic scholarships to 28 year olds from the third world (instead of our own children) makes the United States better, it's that simple. If you think it does, I would be interested to hear why.

Tennis golf come to mind, soccer as well

I you want to call it DEI go ahead. It's our country and our universities so we get to make the rules about who can compete to benefit ourselves. The rest of the world can start their own NCAA if they hate it so much.

At this point I think it is time to restrict international athletes. The people on here so upset with the idea are probably associated with the organization popping up overseas making money off of recruiting these athletes. It doesn't pass the smell test. And the system that is growing that is putting foreign athletes into the NCAA certainly isn't for the benefit of the sport. It's hurting athlete development, it creates a completely different pathway for foreign athletes than Americans, and it's putting American kids at an extreme age disadvantage. It's amazing to me how some posters can see the intrinsic unfairness of a person born a male completing in women's divisions , yet can't see the intrinsic unfairness of 17-18 year old boys competing for spots with 24-28 year old foreign professional runners. I really won't be surprised if this becomes an executive order, it's kind of exactly the kind of thing that would turn into one.

You are advocating for the dumbing down academically and the watering down athletically of the entire U.S. university system. We have the best university system in the world and it is not even close. Outside of Oxford or Cambridge most people could not name another well known international university. The reason our colleges are the best is because they recruit the best students and athletes in the world. The NCAA was never meant to be for Americans only. We are already losing our influence, standing, and reputation in the world due to the current administrations policies. To limit our colleges ability to get the best people no matter where they are from is unbelievably stupid. The more they screw with higher ed the more the quality of our schools will plummet and the less influence we will be able to assert on the world stage. So go ahead with your move towards making the NCAA the JV league you want. Maybe they can spend the extra federal money on participation trophies for everyone so their feeling wont get hurt.

Okay, then how would this pipe dream be accomplished? Get college presidents and admin to agree to a rule that would in no way further their mission. Or get the Fed to restrict student visas to those paying their own way or are on academic scholarship only. Sorry, but I do not see anything specific that would motivate either move, despite what the vocal minority on a niche message board may say.

This may be "the first (bill) of its kind," but the basic thinking behind it has been around for as long as internationals have competed in the NCAA. Remember in Running with the Buffaloes when one of the Buffs got upset that some "fuzzy freakin' foreigner" beat him in a race? I don't really see the point, as others have pointed out the NCAA is a league full of colleges that organizes competitions for people attending those colleges, there's no real logic behind any effort to limit it to just Americans, or to restrict the number of non-Americans. This feels like some nationalistic nonsense the GOP will do to keep people from looking at their financial thefts and depredations.

How about basketball? Five Aussies, a Canadian, a Belgian and a Hungarian on one team.

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The next step is to ban graduate assistantships to international students. You want to study in the US? Get your government pay the bill or find your own sponsor.

Many STEM students will choose, UK, Canada, Australia or wherever else that accept them. And the M@G@ crowd will declare victory because there are fewer international students on campus.

International athletes should not be banned. But I don't think state publics are right to not have in state student athletes on the team. Private universities can have whoever they want provided they don't receive funding from the state for these scholarships. This should be determined at a state level though. The situation at New Mexico is ridiculous. OK state at least has some Oklahoma runners. If you can win your state meet and not be able to walk on a public university in your state, something is wrong.

I'm not convinced that lazy NCAA coaches bringing in rosters of 13:30-40 failed pro Kenyans contributes to our Universities' international reputation or our position on the world stage. If you have noticed there is actually a pretty consistent inverse correlation between the academic merit of an institution and the amount of Kenyans on their squad. I fact I don't think there is a single one in the Ivy League.

I have no problem with our colleges getting the "best people", if we are talking about geniuses that go to MIT and such. However, American public universities exist primarily to serve the state residents that fund them. This is why in-state residents are often given an easier time getting in and academic scholarships that are not available for other residents. If you want to hypocrisy burn me and call all of this DEI, again that gaslighting doesn't phase me as I have previously explained.

Limiting foreign scholarships will not turn the NCAA into a "JV league", I'm not suggesting giving these scholarships to 4:30 milers. What I am saying as if the scholarship is between an American 17 year old that has run 8:55 and a Kenyan 10 years older that is a bit faster, it should go the American. I would expect any other country to do the same. While my personal 5k PR might make me one of the fastest men in many small European countries, I do not expect them to pay for my 200,000 dollar University education over someone who is born there and will stay there after. I'm not sure why the U.S. is held to some other standard.

the even good-er thing about this country is that colleges and universities can also do what they want with scholarships that are funded through private means (i.e. not through taxpayer dollars). They are institutions that are trying to get the best bang for THEIR buck and they too get freedom of speech and the ability to decide how to allocate their resources. I.E. they want the best academics and the best athletes to represent them- not your DEI hire son who is running meh times and will give them diminishing returns as he jogs into another sub-par performance.

So you think DEI hiring is bad then?

Well that is your opinion and you have every right to hold it, but if (and most likely when) this was/is put up to a vote we both know who would win. "Send your tax money to the third world and be happy" is an unpopular proposition to the vast majority of Americans and this election proved that. I am secure in that so I see no need to respond to your low brow comments.

This whole rebranding of DEI as it dies a slow death has been interesting to witness. We all remember what is actually entailed (ie explicit discrimination by colleges and corporations against those of unfavored racial and sexual groups), but you seem to think if you just call every policy that puts the U.S. first "DEI" that will sanitize it and change my mind to advocate for policies that harm my country. It is an interesting strategy, but I don't see it being convincing the the majority of Americans. Fortunately, the upvotes and downvotes here don't reflect the real-life ballot box.

what i think doesn't matter. if the prevailing law disallows DEI-based considerations in hiring and allocating resources, then that's what should be followed.

This is exactly right. It's just throwing red meat to a bunch of right-wing idiots who are convinced that their little Johnny didn't get a scholarship because some big bad minority took it.

Here are European soccer league non-EU regulations:

A number of basketball coaches are getting creative in funneling their NIL deals through foreign entities (basically the shoe companies that sponsor a particular college team will establish an NIL deal through their foreign affiliate so that they are not violating Visa work laws, to the point it is threatening the Euroleague).

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NIL Threatens the Future of European Basketball

The NIL (Name, Image, and Likeness) collective system in the United States is the single biggest threat to youth basketball in Europe. Every decision has hidden

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I am guessing similar creative contracts are taking place in running which is why some overseas pro runners are signing with US college teams. Since most running compensation takes the form of shoe contracts, they can get as much, if not more exposure in the NCAA system than they could training in their home countries.

The point being, these are no longer amateur athletes. They are professionals. As such, they should have quotas to ensure they are not taking opportunities from US workers, just like we do for any other profession.

so sad what happened to little Johnny. He ran 4:49 in his senior year and not even Upper Knutte State was clamoring to give him a full scholarship to jog and attend criminology classes once or twice a week! the nerve of these universities to recruit people who are talented runners that don't happen to be from their zip code!

last I heard Johnny was on OnlyFans and working part time at the gas station. I saw him at the gym last week. He was on the treadmill walking in Alphaflys, crying quietly to himself, watching Dr. Phil on the TV while eating a box of donuts. thanks a lot kenya