Ivy League opting out of NCAA settlement

Maybe. It was a good while ago but the discussion was about money.

This topic comes up at least once per week here but 1/2 if tge people just don't believe the actual schools. Go to the Ivy websites and they state that they offer no academic or athletic scholarships. The other highly sepective schools have a similar process for determining price but a few D1 schools also offer athletic scholarships and the D1 and D3 schools offer limited academic scholarships.

Current Ivy League coach here… there are no mechanisms to manipulate financial aid for athletes at our school. We see what their package comes out as and work with the family on figuring out if that number is doable.

The coach got upset at my son when he declined telling the coach it was solely due to the price.

So do you lose kids that you really want and who really want to go to your school because they can't afford the cost and if so how common is it?

Thousands of kids would chose to run at the Ivies if cost was less. That is a silly question.

It's better to privatize college teams.

Good for them. College is for education, not sports. I think there should be no varsity sports at all, including basketball and football. Make them all club sports students do in their spare time.

That is a false statement. Every college that offers athletics does it as part of their total college experience. The college defines what its purpose is. You don't define it. You are a random poster on a website. Next You will claim that pro sports teams aren't trying to make a profit.

Though I agree with your statement, the former Power 5 is now dictating how they think college sports should be for all schools. I agree that schools should define their own college experience and the level that sports play in that experience. For years the NCAA pulled schools from all over the country and from diverse academic, economic and ability levels. That's what makes college athletics great. Most NCAA titles come from big time athletic programs, but not all. It's amazing to see Vermont win the NCAA soccer title, or Princeton reach the sweet 16 in basketball.
Many in the Power 5 lose money on athletics, so they are asking non Power 5 schools with minor football (non bowl level football) to buy into a program to support all schools. What does the Penn football player think he brings to the school with respect to money? Most people couldn't name a lineman at Ohio State and he thinks he deserves some big payout. I am shocked at the audacity of such a statement.
I hate to say it, but this deal the power 5 is making is designed to push away competition. It simply does not make sense for most colleges and most athletes across the country. They want all the money at the expense of some collective. The SEC pushed an undefeated ACC team out of the Final 4 last year and is angry that they were under represented in the college championship this year. They will change rules and push limits to make sure they are getting more money and more spots in these games.
Ask yourself some questions - Who is driving the change? Who is in charge of decisions within this deal? What athletes were consulted on this deal? What colleges and conferences are part of making this deal? Did the power 5 conferences ask for any input from other conferences as this decision may affect some schools financially in a negative way? cui bono?

That was a lot of blah blah blah in order to say that colleges offer athletics by choice and join the NCAA by choice and join conferences by choice. The other poster stated that college isn't for athetics. Alwasy love when people try to tell others how to run their affairs.

I'm asking about recruited kids, not ones who would be considered walk ons. That is a silly respnse.

All kids are walk-ons at the Ivies. You remain very confised about how track and field recruiting works. The Harvard coach isn't sending out hundreds of letters to runners like football coaches do to 4 star and 5 star players. Track and Field coaches look look through the thousands of emails, questionnaires, texts, calls, etc. that they receive. They respond to kids who are fast enough for their program if they have openings. Thousands of elite kids don't approach the Ivies becuase they know that they will receive a partial scholarship at other schools or they know that they will pay significantly less at their P4 state school or other good private school. This isn't complicated. Distance runners are on average great students. Many of them would qualify for the Ivies if coming in through the athletics route. But their parents tell them to pursue other schools. Even if wealthy, why would a fast runner not start with Duke, Michigan, Notre Dame, Northwestern, Stanford who can give a scholarship? And if upper middle class, an instate kid is going to be way more interested to attend Virginia or Wisconsin or Florida or Oregon with and academic and athletic discount bring proce to almosst nothing rather than getting a discount at an Ivy and being left with $60K per year of cost.

Up until 1954 Ivy League schools offered athletic scholarships. Seems like with their huge endowments, funding athletic scholarships would actually make sense as a marketing tool.

Just one anecdote, but our kid ended his recruitment by an Ivy when he learned there were no athletic scholarships and he reviewed the cost and the likely financial aid situation.

He took a full ride elsewhere and is planning to save student loan debt for medical school.

They could make it free for every student and their endowments would still inrease in value.

Fine. Everyone is a walk on at the Ivies. Let's look at this in terms of academic requirements. We know that the Ivies accept some kids whose GPAs and SAT scores are lower than they normally want for various reasons, being really good at a sport being one of them. A kid with a high school best mile of 4:40 is probably not going to get in if his grades and test scores are not as good as those of other applicants. But if his best high school mile is 4:10 he may well get in with those less than superior marks. It's that second type of walk on, the one a coach hopes will walk on to his team, the 4:10 kid, not the 4:40 kid, I'm asking about.

Thousands of them don't attend the Ivies due to cost. That isn't a large number.

It is funny how you are grasping at a straw. You started out claiming that if an athlete could attend an Ivy but chooses not to attend an Ivy, it is never due to cost. It is essentially the complete opposite. Athletes who choose not to attend an Ivy if they could attend an Ivy is most often due to cost. I can pretty much guarantee if the cost of the Ivy is cheaper than other schools, the athlete would normally choose the Ivy.