I am also going to admit that I am glad it went to a guy who really came up through our high school and college system and not to someone who just moved here two years ago. It is just so disingenuous to say the best runners America has ever produced were Bernard Lagat and Khalid Khannouchi.
I want national records to reflect the best runners who grew up in those nations (like Hocker, Nuguse, Mantz, etc.).
If Steph Curry moved to Canada, it would not be accurate to say, "Canada's best basketball player is Steph Curry; wow, they are amazing up there."
Well I want national records to reflect the best runners in those nations. I can’t speak to other countries, but it’s not easy to become a US citizen. If someone is willing to go through that lengthy process just for love of my country, I am just as happy to see them set an AR as I am for someone who just happened to be born here.
According to the geniuses on letsrun he still lost to a no name ethiopian that is also an automatic doper! The no name guy also has a very difficult name to pronounce of Addisu Gobena. Oh wow that’s really hard to pronounce. It’s not Dan smith! So it’s too hard! Sorry this is blow back from another thread. Nothing against mantz. Amazing athlete but the site is simply toxic vailed fascism! From Jon and bro Jo’s.
I posted a comment on their post announcing the result, summarizing the same thing you said, and they deleted it lol. I think most of citius comments are bots
Good job. I feel like AR will be a minute faster in a year. WR about 57:17 later in 2025.
You must be thinking Grant Fisher is the ~58:17 guy. I wouldn’t put that past him on a great day in Valencia or something like that, but I seriously doubt he’d run that fast on debut in Houston, which is where he’ll most likely go.
I’m dubious of the 57:17 too. Since Kibiwott Kandie ran 57:32 in 2020, the WR has progressed to 57:31 (2021), and 57:30 (2024). I would say that 57:17 was conceivable for Kiplimo a couple years ago, but his debuting in the marathon this spring makes it more likely that his fastest half is behind him (and this is even more true for Kandie and Sawe). The most likely 57:17 guys have to be Kiplimo/Kejelcha/Aregawi, but it’s just really freaking fast, I’m not seeing it.
Mr Americano John, why did you fearfully and timidly delete my legitimate comments about Connor’s abnormal 59:17 performances beating even the likes of Jemal Yimar and other clean East African athletes from Ethiopia? Not to mention being much faster than Ndikumawemyo my clean Spanish compatriot from ciudad Valencia media maraton in Diciembre last year?
Im seething in fury at the unfair protectionist practices of Americano atletas on LRC!!😡
I posted a comment on their post announcing the result, summarizing the same thing you said, and they deleted it lol. I think most of citius comments are bots
Mine was deleted as well. I legitimately raised concerns about Connor’s strange athleticism in todays HM performances nearly outsprinting the untouchable Ethiopian atleta!!
Connor, a polluted Americano DOES NOT have such leg speed, such strength such obscene athleticism from God knows which planet especially as Clayton Young ran 60:50 and change which should be around the ballpark of what Connor should be running if unassisted by PETS!!
Even Jakob, the world reknown aerobic monster who obviously has a much better engine than Connor couldn’t even break 63 and you are telling me Connor is only 1.5minutes and change from Kejelcha’s WR in the HM?
SIMPLY NO! I may die but Connor shall never be clean for the Houston HM race! 😓😓😓😳
According to the geniuses on letsrun he still lost to a no name ethiopian that is also an automatic doper! The no name guy also has a very difficult name to pronounce of Addisu Gobena. Oh wow that’s really hard to pronounce. It’s not Dan smith! So it’s too hard! Sorry this is blow back from another thread. Nothing against mantz. Amazing athlete but the site is simply toxic vailed fascism! From Jon and bro Jo’s.
It’s toxic protectionism of Americano atletas! I don’t know if Rojo’s first allegiance is to clean sport or to the American national anthem?
For me my first allegiance is to Jesus first and first, then next Physics, then next clean sport, then next the national anthem of Spain 🇪🇸. That’s the order of commissioning of my space-time!!
I love to see it. He's got a great attitude and is a gamer. But I don't think this is intrinsically equal to Ryan Hall's 59:43. Even with the wind against him, he broke the record by 26 seconds, almost 2 seconds a mile despite never showing much better at 5k or 10k, on the lower side, and being slower at the marathon as well, even with the super shoes. This was more super shoes than talent and hard work. A guy of Klecker or Fisher's profile would figure to drop this record a lot. Clearly, it wasn't Klecker in his debut. I would guess that Klecker will do better next time but Fisher will run 58 low.
I have more respect for Mantz after watching him race yesterday. He was in another class above the rest of the Americans. I think the US marathon record will last a while longer because the top Americans are stuck in the cycle of running Boston/New York, occasionally Chicago but they don't run fast there. They don't seem interested in running London, Berlin or Valencia. At least Ryan Hall ran London a couple of times.
Mr Americano John, why did you fearfully and timidly delete my legitimate comments about Connor’s abnormal 59:17 performances beating even the likes of Jemal Yimar and other clean East African athletes from Ethiopia? Not to mention being much faster than Ndikumawemyo my clean Spanish compatriot from ciudad Valencia media maraton in Diciembre last year?
Im seething in fury at the unfair protectionist practices of Americano atletas on LRC!!😡
Actually, I didn’t delete either of your deleted posts from this thread. They were reported as spam and another moderator deleted them (which I think is fine).
Try to limit the thread-derailing troll efforts please, or make them funnier.
I have more respect for Mantz after watching him race yesterday. He was in another class above the rest of the Americans. I think the US marathon record will last a while longer because the top Americans are stuck in the cycle of running Boston/New York, occasionally Chicago but they don't run fast there. They don't seem interested in running London, Berlin or Valencia. At least Ryan Hall ran London a couple of times.
Mantz just hasnt executed fully in Chicago yet. He can run 2:05 there, but has to really run his best full, and so far hes only hit singles and doubles at the distance.
I have more respect for Mantz after watching him race yesterday. He was in another class above the rest of the Americans. I think the US marathon record will last a while longer because the top Americans are stuck in the cycle of running Boston/New York, occasionally Chicago but they don't run fast there. They don't seem interested in running London, Berlin or Valencia. At least Ryan Hall ran London a couple of times.
I started a thread about this yesterday, but Boston pays too much money for him to forego it. I wish Nike would offer up a substantial bonus for the record to entice him to run a London or Berlin. Especially London as he’s ready now.
He could take a shot at Chicago, but the weather needs to cooperate.
The Gault piece helped emphasize that Hall's run was #8 all-time in 2007. Today puts Mantz in the top-100, so you are objectively correct.
It's still awesome and exciting to see Mantz take it down. Dude isn't even 30 yet. I'm thoroughly enjoying the show he's putting on.
I’m not trying to say that being the 8th fastest man at the half behind only 5 Kenyans, Z. Tadese and H. Gebrselassie in January ‘07 isn’t amazing—it surely is—but I do think the half marathon didn’t really come into its own until around that time. There weren’t A-talents racing 2-4 paced, lightning fast half marathon courses for good prize money prior to right around that time like there has been since: that distorts the comparison between Hall at 8th A.T. and Mantz down in the 90s. FWIW, Jan. 19th 2016 was still “pre-super shoes” and Hall had already fallen to tied for the 68th fastest half marathoner.
This really wasn't the case. You're overlooking how much faster everything has become since Hall's record. The day Hall ran 59:43, the marathon WR was just a hair under 2:05. 2:05:56 was #5 all time. Tergat's 2:04:56 isn't even in the top-100 now.
So no, the HM wasn't relatively weak at the time. The modern landscape is just vastly different than it was in 2007.
I have more respect for Mantz after watching him race yesterday. He was in another class above the rest of the Americans. I think the US marathon record will last a while longer because the top Americans are stuck in the cycle of running Boston/New York, occasionally Chicago but they don't run fast there. They don't seem interested in running London, Berlin or Valencia. At least Ryan Hall ran London a couple of times.
I started a thread about this yesterday, but Boston pays too much money for him to forego it. I wish Nike would offer up a substantial bonus for the record to entice him to run a London or Berlin. Especially London as he’s ready now.
He could take a shot at Chicago, but the weather needs to cooperate.
I think that this year Conner/Clayton will run Boston/New York because they are the most lucrative marathons and the world championships are in New York this year and Conner has said that's something he'd be interested in. It's 2025, we're more than 3 years from the LA trials, bank some money this year.
But I think looking to next year. I could see them going to Chicago, or even going to Valencia. Because you know the standard is 2:06:30, you have to find courses that you're guaranteed to hit those on, you're going to find the fastest courses and run there regardless of the appearance fee to unlock the spots.
Can someone check on Klecker? Citius and the idiots on this board propped him up as a 'rival' to Mantz only for him to get bent over by Mantz and have Matt Richtman (criminally underrated, btw) breathing down his neck.
This was not Rocky v. Drago, this was prime Mike v. Sister Jean. Mantz and Ritz should be gorging themselves on humble pie while Chris Chavez laughs himself to the bank to cash in on those fantastic Houston videos pitting the two against each other.
I understand your Ritz claim, but why would Mantz eat humble pie in this scenario?
I have more respect for Mantz after watching him race yesterday. He was in another class above the rest of the Americans. I think the US marathon record will last a while longer because the top Americans are stuck in the cycle of running Boston/New York, occasionally Chicago but they don't run fast there. They don't seem interested in running London, Berlin or Valencia. At least Ryan Hall ran London a couple of times.
I’ve said this a number of times since the Olympics. I understand the economics of it, but I really, really wish we could see, in the next 18 months, Mantz or Young in Valencia or Berlin. Not New York and Boston. And definitely not Chicago. And it’s aggravating that it won’t happen.
seriously, the sponsors would really benefit with a bonus structure here that would overcome the appearance fee issue that is stopping this from happening. Did any of us have Rupp winning Prague back in the day? i didnt. It was completely random. There were so many other places he could have gone to go after KK’s record… but didnt, for a variety of reasons, partly timing, partly economic.