Ya, okay. Come on this is a troll post no 64 man acts like this. And I didn't call you a loser, I said there were other things in life. But you cleared that up. Did you call him "Risky" instead of Fisky to try and keep your troll post going. I'll check back tomorrow to read about your shots 🤣 In the meantime I'll live life to the fullest.
Risky, Sounds very similar. Getting my PRP injections this afternoon.
So you are running again?
Oh, yeah, sure. I ran one M70 WR 4x800 indoor world record and won the M 75 400m at the USATF Masters Championships after recovering from this injury.
Recovery did take a LONG time, but that was mostly because I didn't figure out what to do at first. I haven't felt a knee twinge in maybe a year? I have a hard fast rule that when I feel recurrence of an old, severe injury I immediately stop the workout. I abort maybe 1 in every 6-10 workouts... not because of the knee, but because of multiple other chronic injuries.
Finishing a workout today is never more important than being able to run pain free tomorrow.
Another thing I didn't mention is that I switched to almost all my workouts runs in rocker soled shoes where the heel is undercut to the point that it moves the initial heel strike an inch or so towards the front of the foot.
I'm currently taking a sabbatical from competition for a year or two while trying to heal spinal stenosis without surgery because there is a risk that I would never be able to run again at a high level after the surgery. I'm definitely improving, but progress is very slow.
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Risky, Sounds very similar. Getting my PRP injections this afternoon.
So you are running again?
Oh, yeah, sure. I ran one M70 WR 4x800 indoor world record and won the M 75 400m at the USATF Masters Championships after recovering from this injury.
Recovery did take a LONG time, but that was mostly because I didn't figure out what to do at first. I haven't felt a knee twinge in maybe a year? I have a hard fast rule that when I feel recurrence of an old, severe injury I immediately stop the workout. I abort maybe 1 in every 6-10 workouts... not because of the knee, but because of multiple other chronic injuries.
Finishing a workout today is never more important than being able to run pain free tomorrow.
Another thing I didn't mention is that I switched to almost all my workouts runs in rocker soled shoes where the heel is undercut to the point that it moves the initial heel strike an inch or so towards the front of the foot.
I'm currently taking a sabbatical from competition for a year or two while trying to heal spinal stenosis without surgery because there is a risk that I would never be able to run again at a high level after the surgery. I'm definitely improving, but progress is very slow.
I've had left knee pain for 3 years now. Mid 30s. Sometimes hurts when I run then goes away with rest. Physio said no cartilage damage but patella not tracking properly. I just can't get rid of it. Worried about osteoarthritis / cartilage damage.
Excellent questions, 1} the ortho said it went like this, it's not an injury per say, the MRI showed it's just bone on bone and he did not think 'scoping it it" like they used to do would do any good, it's just "wore out". The next step is when it hurts so bad you can't walk was to get a traditional knee replacement.
2/ my acupuncturist said to check out this pain doc who does PRP. I decided to check it out as going to acupuncture really helps. The Pain doc said she disagreed with ortho's take on MRI. She said it looked like an injury and was confident PRP would stop the pain and keep me active. She also adjusted my knee and it helped. Nobody has mentioned conservative PT.
Some days I walk and ride my Peloton and other days just do my 2 mile walk with dog in the morning. But I have god awful pain off and on throughout the day.
With PRP you can nothing that thins the blood a week before and a week after, so I am in more pain than usual. I appreciate your questions.
Go to a different ortho and get a second opinion. If you've never had a knee scope to clean up your meniscus then that would typically be a primary treatment procedure. It is typically very successful and feels good immediately. Your ortho sounds very conservative. The best knee orthos can perform a meniscus cleanup scope with very little post op pain or limitations. PRP will not regrow or re-form your meniscus. ...You may as well get a standard cortisone shot every 3 to 6 months instead and you'll feel less pain.
I've experience it all. Scopes on each knee prior to ACL blowouts (x2 rt knee, x1 lft knee all from skiing) and now have a full knee replacement on rt knee. Before the major surgeries I had prp injections and dozens of cortisone shots in knees. Cortisone works everytime but not for more than 6 months. Prp never worked and always created more pain.
Cycling is easier than running now. I can only trail run up hill now. Walk down afterwards. Running on flat pavement is no longer an option. ...Not just because of knees. Metal fusion in talus bone in the ankle, hips and back all suffer from getting older, running for decades and compensating for asymetric injury imbalances.
Excellent questions, 1} the ortho said it went like this, it's not an injury per say, the MRI showed it's just bone on bone and he did not think 'scoping it it" like they used to do would do any good, it's just "wore out". The next step is when it hurts so bad you can't walk was to get a traditional knee replacement.
2/ my acupuncturist said to check out this pain doc who does PRP. I decided to check it out as going to acupuncture really helps. The Pain doc said she disagreed with ortho's take on MRI. She said it looked like an injury and was confident PRP would stop the pain and keep me active. She also adjusted my knee and it helped. Nobody has mentioned conservative PT.
Some days I walk and ride my Peloton and other days just do my 2 mile walk with dog in the morning. But I have god awful pain off and on throughout the day.
With PRP you can nothing that thins the blood a week before and a week after, so I am in more pain than usual. I appreciate your questions.
Go to a different ortho and get a second opinion. If you've never had a knee scope to clean up your meniscus then that would typically be a primary treatment procedure. It is typically very successful and feels good immediately. Your ortho sounds very conservative. The best knee orthos can perform a meniscus cleanup scope with very little post op pain or limitations. PRP will not regrow or re-form your meniscus. ...You may as well get a standard cortisone shot every 3 to 6 months instead and you'll feel less pain.
I've experience it all. Scopes on each knee prior to ACL blowouts (x2 rt knee, x1 lft knee all from skiing) and now have a full knee replacement on rt knee. Before the major surgeries I had prp injections and dozens of cortisone shots in knees. Cortisone works everytime but not for more than 6 months. Prp never worked and always created more pain.
Cycling is easier than running now. I can only trail run up hill now. Walk down afterwards. Running on flat pavement is no longer an option. ...Not just because of knees. Metal fusion in talus bone in the ankle, hips and back all suffer from getting older, running for decades and compensating for asymetric injury imbalances.
Getting old ain't for sissies.
Cortisone only worked one day for me.
everything I read says everyone is different.
I’m in chair waiting to get needle for PRP as we speak.
I’m having trouble understanding this part (from your ortho):
1} the ortho said it went like this, it's not an injury per say, the MRI showed it's just bone on bone and he did not think 'scoping it it" like they used to do would do any good, it's just "wore out". The next step is when it hurts so bad you can't walk was to get a traditional knee replacement.
What specifically do you mean by “scoping it”? Using a fiber optic scope to just look at it should not make things worse. What else is he referring to with “scoping it”? Why would it do no good? What exactly does he want to do?
He wants to do nothing until it hurts so bad that I don't want to walk. Do yoga{which I did daily} or exercise. The ortho {Georgetown medical degree} said scoping the knee brings harm to the knee. No such things as a harmless operation. He feels too many orthos want to cut. I know nothing about fiber optic scopes.
Those who recommended swimming are on point or even water walking. I had a bad tib-fib spiral fracture when I was 11. When I went to the pool after over two months of casts and braces, I could walk like it was going out of style. I felt weightless. I stepped on the pool deck and immediately fell. Too bad...it wasn't ready yet.
But to this day, it taught me that water walking is the best immediate therapy ..
Have you tried any of the lubricant shots like Supartz or similar medications? I tried PRP and I dont think it did anything, and it was expensive.
What killed my dream of the PRP solution is that no professional sports organizations recommend it to their athletes, and nobody has more to gain by getting those dudes back on the filed than they do.
Have you tried any of the lubricant shots like Supartz or similar medications? I tried PRP and I dont think it did anything, and it was expensive.
What killed my dream of the PRP solution is that no professional sports organizations recommend it to their athletes, and nobody has more to gain by getting those dudes back on the filed than they do.
Interesting take.
Got the shot yesterday. We will see. It gave me some relief but I'll give it some time before I make the a final review.
I don't believe that sub 21 for 60-64 age group. I was a fairly good sprinter in my younger days. Took up running 5K races in my early 50s. The best I have ever done on a flat course is 39mins. My best 5K last year at 60 years was 42mins. Sub 21 for 60- 64 age group. I call BS.
But I wish the OP well on solving his health issue.
I don't believe that sub 21 for 60-64 age group. I was a fairly good sprinter in my younger days. Took up running 5K races in my early 50s. The best I have ever done on a flat course is 39mins. My best 5K last year at 60 years was 42mins. Sub 21 for 60- 64 age group. I call BS.
But I wish the OP well on solving his health issue.
A degenerative meniscus is a tear in the meniscus cartilage of the knee that occurs as part of the aging process and is often not caused by an injury:
What it is The meniscus is a C-shaped tissue that cushions the knee and helps with joint stability. A degenerative meniscus is a tear in this cartilage that can include multiple small tears, irregularities, or fraying.
Who it affects Degenerative meniscus tears are most common in middle-aged or older people.
Symptoms Symptoms include pain, swelling, stiffness, clicking, catching, or locking in the knee. Symptoms can develop slowly or start suddenly.
Causes Degenerative meniscus tears can be caused by a number of factors, including being overweight, having weak thigh and bottom muscles, or having tight lower limb muscles.
Treatment Treatment options depend on the location of the tear and other factors.
Significance Although uncomfortable, small tears in the meniscus don't necessarily mean the joint will deteriorate.
I had an operation on a torn meniscus (removed part) at age 58, about nine years ago. Pr-operation it was very painful (limping, difficult to drive). Recovery was quick - I was able to win 50+ age group in a good standard 10k eight months post op.
Nine years on I don't have any pain in that knee, and a couple of years ago, was able to win my event in the World Senior Games.
My question is, is either a partial removal, or repair possible? Partial removal is quicker to recover from, but less good long-term (although mine is good heading for 10 years on), and repair takes longer, but also better long-term result.
I don't believe that sub 21 for 60-64 age group. I was a fairly good sprinter in my younger days. Took up running 5K races in my early 50s. The best I have ever done on a flat course is 39mins. My best 5K last year at 60 years was 42mins. Sub 21 for 60- 64 age group. I call BS.
But I wish the OP well on solving his health issue.
That's a funny take!
I don't know if you are serious or not.
Are those really your numbers?
Sub-21 at 60-64 is good, but not spectacular and is easily believable.
A couple of years ago in a good quality 5k - pays $$$ for any age group new course record - I ran 19:48 at age 65. That, incidentally was seven or eight years after a partial meniscus removal.
I was pleased, but didn't consider it by any means an exceptional effort, and there are plenty of 65+ runners who could beat that quite easily.
A degenerative meniscus is a tear in the meniscus cartilage of the knee that occurs as part of the aging process and is often not caused by an injury:
What it is The meniscus is a C-shaped tissue that cushions the knee and helps with joint stability. A degenerative meniscus is a tear in this cartilage that can include multiple small tears, irregularities, or fraying.
Who it affects Degenerative meniscus tears are most common in middle-aged or older people.
Symptoms Symptoms include pain, swelling, stiffness, clicking, catching, or locking in the knee. Symptoms can develop slowly or start suddenly.
Causes Degenerative meniscus tears can be caused by a number of factors, including being overweight, having weak thigh and bottom muscles, or having tight lower limb muscles.
Treatment Treatment options depend on the location of the tear and other factors.
Significance Although uncomfortable, small tears in the meniscus don't necessarily mean the joint will deteriorate.
I had an operation on a torn meniscus (removed part) at age 58, about nine years ago. Pr-operation it was very painful (limping, difficult to drive). Recovery was quick - I was able to win 50+ age group in a good standard 10k eight months post op.
Nine years on I don't have any pain in that knee, and a couple of years ago, was able to win my event in the World Senior Games.
My question is, is either a partial removal, or repair possible? Partial removal is quicker to recover from, but less good long-term (although mine is good heading for 10 years on), and repair takes longer, but also better long-term result.
Either way, good luck.
Thanks for sharing that story Cavorty, gives me hope. If this PRP does not work I'm going to go to a different ortho.
Sub-21 at 60-64 is good, but not spectacular and is easily believable.
A couple of years ago in a good quality 5k - pays $ for any age group new course record - I ran 19:48 at age 65. That, incidentally was seven or eight years after a partial meniscus removal.
I was pleased, but didn't consider it by any means an exceptional effort, and there are plenty of 65+ runners who could beat that quite easily.
Cavorty, I honestly do not think that poster was serious but appreciate you sharing your success. I do ok at local races but running Carlsbad 5000 will humble one real quick.
Old guy radio - same age and have had two serious injuries in the last 5 years. 1. Give it time and start physical therapy. At our age, it can take months to see improvement. 2. Aqua jogging is a good non-weight bearing exercise. The Alter-G is also good if you can handle running on 85% of body weight. Both are boring as hell and I've done a lot of aqua running in my life. It won't solve everything, but it can't hurt.
For me, in 2021, I had a knee issue that had me hobbled completely and now it's my hip (glute medius). I gained 25 lbs with the knee since due to the lock down I couldn't even cross train. But after I started PT and was able to gradually return to running, the weight came off and in 6 months I was running well. The hip injury started in February 2024 and seems related to a number of things - a couple of falls (one at work, tripping over a cord), previously severely sprained ankles (2 on the left side, 3 on the right) which left me with no to minimal ligaments and a broken sacrum at age 40 which was re-injured in my 50s. I have weak hips as a result and my ankles don't help with my stability - meaning my glute medius and my peroneal tendons were really sore and keeping me from running. It's been a LOONG 10 months of aqua running/alter-G, walk/running, plus 4 months of PT, but things are slowly improving. Thankfully, my weight didn't balloon (as much) this time and today I actually felt like a runner on my 6 miler.
I'd be hesitant to do surgery, honestly, without giving the other things a try. OTOH, I have a friend who had a hip replacement at 50 and while she doesn't run often, she is in great shape cycling and doing cyclo-cross. Good luck. It's tough getting old, but does beat the alternative.
Old guy radio - same age and have had two serious injuries in the last 5 years. 1. Give it time and start physical therapy. At our age, it can take months to see improvement. 2. Aqua jogging is a good non-weight bearing exercise. The Alter-G is also good if you can handle running on 85% of body weight. Both are boring as hell and I've done a lot of aqua running in my life. It won't solve everything, but it can't hurt.
For me, in 2021, I had a knee issue that had me hobbled completely and now it's my hip (glute medius). I gained 25 lbs with the knee since due to the lock down I couldn't even cross train. But after I started PT and was able to gradually return to running, the weight came off and in 6 months I was running well. The hip injury started in February 2024 and seems related to a number of things - a couple of falls (one at work, tripping over a cord), previously severely sprained ankles (2 on the left side, 3 on the right) which left me with no to minimal ligaments and a broken sacrum at age 40 which was re-injured in my 50s. I have weak hips as a result and my ankles don't help with my stability - meaning my glute medius and my peroneal tendons were really sore and keeping me from running. It's been a LOONG 10 months of aqua running/alter-G, walk/running, plus 4 months of PT, but things are slowly improving. Thankfully, my weight didn't balloon (as much) this time and today I actually felt like a runner on my 6 miler.
I'd be hesitant to do surgery, honestly, without giving the other things a try. OTOH, I have a friend who had a hip replacement at 50 and while she doesn't run often, she is in great shape cycling and doing cyclo-cross. Good luck. It's tough getting old, but does beat the alternative.
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