Side question, if someone works a full-time job, should they still be "poor" or should people who work full-time be able to make a living wage?
If not, then why would anyone take these jobs? I understand (and agree) with you that they are easy jobs in terms of the educational level needed to do them, but it seems like it is possible to work full time and still be poor. That feels weird to me.
Are we okay with that? Work 40 hours a week, do a good job at work each day, and still be poor?
If I ask for a double, and you ask me, "it comes with two shots, so do you want 3?", or i ask for a tall with an extra shot and you ask, "it comes with two shots, so do you want 3?"--yes, you should still be poor.
starbucks will send you to school and insure your family, seems pretty solid.
you said it. who's gonna go to school if you can just get a job at 16 that will pay you to have a nice living.
And honestly, most people make 15 an hour or more these days. Many fast food type places are closer to 20. You can live off that. Problem is everybody wants what everybody else has.
$20/hr x 40hrs/wk x 52 wks/year = $41,600. Who’s gonna bother going to school if you can make $41000 a year without a degree??
You would pay about $7500 a year in tax on that income. The health insurance they offer is $10000 a year. Average yearly rent on a crappy 1-bdrm apt is about $9000 in my area.
Meanwhile, Howard Schultz is worth $3.2 billion.
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Anyone else tired of people wanting giant career type pay but not wanting to put in the investment on themselves to do it? Starbucks is not a career they should not make $80,000.
My background.
Military (8-years) disabled veteran now. Also completed a Bachelors and MSOL while on active duty. On active duty I averaged $75,000 to $85,000 a year.
Left the Military and took a 3 year presidential Govt internship.
Post Military
Year 1: $43,000 (pay cut of roughly -$42,000)
Year 2: $55,000 (still-$30,000)
Year 3: $69,000 (-$16,000)
@Year 4: (I finally reached my Military pay)
Year 4: $86,000 (finally made higher then Military career)
Year 5: $93,000 (Started MBA to compliment MSOL)
Year 6: $97,000
Year 7 : $103,000 (Finished MBA)
Year 8: $139,000 (Started PhD)
Year 9: $144,000
Year 10: $160,000
Side note:
Wife Started a student internship at Year 4 of my Govt Civ career.
She is now a GS11 and has completed 2 Masters Degrees herself and contributes with $93,000 a year in income. Out household income is $253,000 a year but with other investments and hobbies we bring in over $300,000.
Funny that Starbuck's CEO will make around $100MM in compensation, and he gets to work remotely, but you're worrying about people making a fair wage. How much do you make licking boots?
Somebody with no qualifications, no skills, no degree makes $20 an hour.
So how much more does a shift supervisor make? A manager?
How is this sustainable for any business to effectively staff?
Why does somebody with no skillset deserve $20 an hour?
For God's sakes. $20 per hour full time is $40k per year. You can't live on that. These workers are the reason the owner Schultz is worth over $4 billion. I think he can pay his workers a living wage. $40 per hour minimum
Side question, if someone works a full-time job, should they still be "poor" or should people who work full-time be able to make a living wage?
If not, then why would anyone take these jobs? I understand (and agree) with you that they are easy jobs in terms of the educational level needed to do them, but it seems like it is possible to work full time and still be poor. That feels weird to me.
Are we okay with that? Work 40 hours a week, do a good job at work each day, and still be poor?
Side question, if someone works a full-time job, should they still be "poor" or should people who work full-time be able to make a living wage?
If not, then why would anyone take these jobs? I understand (and agree) with you that they are easy jobs in terms of the educational level needed to do them, but it seems like it is possible to work full time and still be poor. That feels weird to me.
Are we okay with that? Work 40 hours a week, do a good job at work each day, and still be poor?
you said it. who's gonna go to school if you can just get a job at 16 that will pay you to have a nice living.
And honestly, most people make 15 an hour or more these days. Many fast food type places are closer to 20. You can live off that. Problem is everybody wants what everybody else has.
you back saying dumb stuff again. i despair that you have access to children. you absolute boot-licking, critical-thinking-lacking muppet
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Somebody with no qualifications, no skills, no degree makes $20 an hour.
So how much more does a shift supervisor make? A manager?
How is this sustainable for any business to effectively staff?
Why does somebody with no skillset deserve $20 an hour?
you americans are so stupid and your country has fallen a long, long way since the days of henry ford.
your country will continue to go to hell because the average american is a total moran - as shown by the upvote/downvote ratio on dumb posts like yours
Side question, if someone works a full-time job, should they still be "poor" or should people who work full-time be able to make a living wage?
If not, then why would anyone take these jobs? I understand (and agree) with you that they are easy jobs in terms of the educational level needed to do them, but it seems like it is possible to work full time and still be poor. That feels weird to me.
Are we okay with that? Work 40 hours a week, do a good job at work each day, and still be poor?
Somebody with no qualifications, no skills, no degree makes $20 an hour.
So how much more does a shift supervisor make? A manager?
How is this sustainable for any business to effectively staff?
Why does somebody with no skillset deserve $20 an hour?
For God's sakes. $20 per hour full time is $40k per year. You can't live on that. These workers are the reason the owner Schultz is worth over $4 billion. I think he can pay his workers a living wage. $40 per hour minimum
What happens to the price of your Starbucks if the employee wages double?
Side question, if someone works a full-time job, should they still be "poor" or should people who work full-time be able to make a living wage?
If not, then why would anyone take these jobs? I understand (and agree) with you that they are easy jobs in terms of the educational level needed to do them, but it seems like it is possible to work full time and still be poor. That feels weird to me.
Are we okay with that? Work 40 hours a week, do a good job at work each day, and still be poor?
Most baristas are neither bread winners for the family nor are they trying to earn a living. It’s a good college or high school job that pays $20/hr+ with tips. The people who truly work there for a career (5%) will eventually move up to be assistant managers, managers, regional managers, or franchisees.
I worked at McDonalds actually as a sixteen year old (best thing that could’ve ever happened to me) and then delivered pizzas all through college and even after to help pay for school. Never demanded a “livable wage.” People who aren’t cut out for traditional school can make enormous money as plumbers, electricians, medical sonographers, etc. Or working for UPS. I just had a young looking 55-year old come out the other day to replace my garage door. He told me it was his second to last day, that he had been with the company since age 18 and was retiring with a fat pension.
There are all kinds of situations like this. One of my kids works at a pizza place right now making $19/hr with tips, but it’s an extra money job. It’s not a career. And I would completely discourage her from ever being part of a union in such a low skilled and not dangerous position. Ludicrous.
how does this nonsense have ZERO downvotes
'I'd completely discourage my daughter from joining a low skilled worker union' smh
you americans have been totally brainwashed with beliefs against your own interests.
Most baristas are neither bread winners for the family nor are they trying to earn a living. It’s a good college or high school job that pays $20/hr+ with tips. The people who truly work there for a career (5%) will eventually move up to be assistant managers, managers, regional managers, or franchisees.
I worked at McDonalds actually as a sixteen year old (best thing that could’ve ever happened to me) and then delivered pizzas all through college and even after to help pay for school. Never demanded a “livable wage.” People who aren’t cut out for traditional school can make enormous money as plumbers, electricians, medical sonographers, etc. Or working for UPS. I just had a young looking 55-year old come out the other day to replace my garage door. He told me it was his second to last day, that he had been with the company since age 18 and was retiring with a fat pension.
There are all kinds of situations like this. One of my kids works at a pizza place right now making $19/hr with tips, but it’s an extra money job. It’s not a career. And I would completely discourage her from ever being part of a union in such a low skilled and not dangerous position. Ludicrous.
how does this nonsense have ZERO downvotes
'I'd completely discourage my daughter from joining a low skilled worker union' smh
you americans have been totally brainwashed with beliefs against your own interests.
it's pretty incredible how dumb you all are
Well YOU down voted it. The overexpansion of unions into non-dangerous and non-exploitative service industries is overkill. Unions are exactly why domestic manufacturing is in a shambles, they don't operate in good faith and only serve their own bloat. But here we are, without unskilled jobs that produce goods of enduring value we have to find a way to overpay these low value people for 40 years for pouring a beverage into a cup.
Starbucks already costs $10 in Vegas (don’t know about other cities) in casinos where people are captive, and the lines are always insane.
People love it even tho smaller coffee shops are better.
It’s because no individual person is paying the $10 out of pocket so no one cares. It’s either expensed if you’re there for work or it’s comped if you’re there for fun. capitalism at its best!
Really? Because unions work perfectly well in Germany. But then union leaders have a spot on the board, and have a vested interest in the company's success.
'I'd completely discourage my daughter from joining a low skilled worker union' smh
you americans have been totally brainwashed with beliefs against your own interests.
it's pretty incredible how dumb you all are
Well YOU down voted it. The overexpansion of unions into non-dangerous and non-exploitative service industries is overkill. Unions are exactly why domestic manufacturing is in a shambles, they don't operate in good faith and only serve their own bloat. But here we are, without unskilled jobs that produce goods of enduring value we have to find a way to overpay these low value people for 40 years for pouring a beverage into a cup.
Since when do only "non-dangerous and non-exploitative service industries" qualify as appropriate for unions? That is a bleeping crock of sh!t. Custodians are unionized, grounds workers are unionized, unskilled labor is unionized, etc.
It's called the free market and if they want to organize, it is their god damned right.