it's a new course this year, much more downhill than previously.
it's a new course this year, much more downhill than previously.
Working Harder wrote:
it's a new course this year, much more downhill than previously.
I’ve ran this race for the past 7 years, it is not more downhill this time around. Previous course has net downhill of 2200’ (1900’ with uphills), this new course is net downhill 1800’ (1500’ with uphills). I ran slower this year than I ever have at this race before, just for some perspective.
You already now the answer, it's because it is 1800 foot downhill. That's easily 10 seconds per mile, probably closer to 15 seconds per mile. So 4-6 minutes slower on a neutral course, so more like a 2:17 on a regular course. Still decent but not insane.
World Athletics says CIM's 500 foot downhill is worth near 90 seconds for that type of marathoner. So this is more 3.5 times that, so ballpark 5 minutes according to world athletics calculations. Maybe it's diminishing returns for how much downhill there is, but I think we can safely assume 4 minutes for this level of runner, so maybe he can run 2:16 on a flat course.
The crazy thing or something I find interesting, is that the female winner ran CIM and grandmas marathon faster than the tuscon marathon. Tough I guess to really judge courses I guess until you run them.
less climbing, less altitude, much faster. sorry you had a bad race.
klecker wrote:
Looking at his TFRRS it seems that his XC season was very average as was said earlier, though his 14:53 was at 5000’ elevation (14:22 at sea level) and it looks like he ran a 10k at La Verne last track season in 29:51 as a FR. Maybe the road and track is his thing. He may like the long game. Who knows. All runners progress differently to training and different stimulus.
He ran 25:14 at Joe Piane.
Yeah looks like female winner was a bit slower here. Makes me wonder what Nedrow could run against a more competitive field (i.e., NYC, Chicago, Boston, CIM). It could probably at least help him to have more people to run against instead of going solo.
Riley loves racking up the miles. He was running high miles in HS. This last summer he would do a long run and the next day ride 180 miles.
Great marathon.
Working Harder wrote:
it's a new course this year, much more downhill than previously.
Actually it’s significantly less elevation loss.
Surely the 10000 track time of 29.51 at altitude is the single PR that makes the marathon time (adjusted for descent) less freaky vs the PRs in the heading. Good luck to him as its v rare that pre teen stars stay in the sport in adulthood.
Boston will start in 2027 with a 5 minute time added to your qualifying time if you ran a course between 1500 and 3000 net downhill elevation. So Tuscon has stated that they will make their course 1493 feet versus the current over 1500. Anything for a buc:):):):):)
Seriously, just as an example, how can any runner drop a 2:59 at that race and claim they broke 3 hours? Is there any true integrity anymore?
Money Talksssssss: Arizona Runner wrote:
Boston will start in 2027 with a 5 minute time added to your qualifying time if you ran a course between 1500 and 3000 net downhill elevation. So Tuscon has stated that they will make their course 1493 feet versus the current over 1500. Anything for a buc:):):):):)
Seriously, just as an example, how can any runner drop a 2:59 at that race and claim they broke 3 hours? Is there any true integrity anymore?
Personally, no. That 137 ft rule is in place for a reason. A 3 flat would be about a 3:09. A 2:29 there might be a 2:35 on an honest and legal course. Some runners just aren't honest about times and how they were achieved. To each their own.
It's drops more than the metric mile from start to finish.!!!!
A 3 hour marathon runner would have to add 8 to 11 minutes to equal a legal course.
A 3:15 marathoner would have to add a tad more.
Runners go there to boast of personal bests.
Enough said.
Needscalcium wrote:
He’s an aerobic monster. Always has been. Has really impressive bike power and swim splits per Strava as well
He’s human and will lose pace at the same rate as other strength runners. If a 14:53 guy can run 2:12, elites can run 1:50. There’s a logical reason behind how he ran 2:12.
Is Riley not racing for Wyoming this year or do they just have a faster roster and he's not top 8 or so?
Anyway, he has been doing some very impressive mountain runs. I think he can be a great trail runner.
Also noted he has been training in Utah recently.
Money Talksssssss: Arizona Runner wrote:
Boston will start in 2027 with a 5 minute time added to your qualifying time if you ran a course between 1500 and 3000 net downhill elevation. So Tuscon has stated that they will make their course 1493 feet versus the current over 1500. Anything for a buc:):):):):)
Seriously, just as an example, how can any runner drop a 2:59 at that race and claim they broke 3 hours? Is there any true integrity anymore?
LOL as my post clearly ruffled some feathers for some hobby joggers. Look above, I just asked a simple question as to how someone can count a race that drops from start to finish that much as a personal best time. I could never do it and don't understand how anyone else could.
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