I will accept that. So, essentially 22. Having been one of those guys you described in a bygone era though, I was never breaking 13:30/28:00. Plus, “full rides” are extremely hard to come by in running these days, and one succumbs to the pitfalls of the excessive college training/racing atmosphere.
I think what I’m saying is I never had the ability to be flexible with my training and recover and sleep like I did in college, so why wait? Hard to work full time and train at the highest level, so why wait to find out. Almost everyone will be done w the sport at the highest levels some time after 25. Unless you’re getting paid well to run.
In a bygone era 13:30/28:00 put you on the Olympic team🤣
Realistically the training for a 5k/10k/xc shouldn’t be that different than a marathoner until that specialization phase. For your first 3 years you are going to be focusing on bring up your mileage and volume of workouts. and yes I have seen the programs that push intensity hard.
But yeah the problem is you then hit like 22 and lose all the training support infrastructure. Unless you have a trust fund you need to debate chasing the dream or trying to squish running in around paying the bills.
If an earlier post is correct and Buchanan manages a shoe store and teaches part time he must not have much in the line of a support structure. And yet there he is with a faster time than a lot of people who have something of a support structure.
If an earlier post is correct and Buchanan manages a shoe store and teaches part time he must not have much in the line of a support structure. And yet there he is with a faster time than a lot of people who have something of a support structure.
He only recently signed a contract with ASICS... presumably a fairly cheap one. I gather he'll be asking to re-negotiate!
That time on the Melbourne course in Oct was probably equivalent to say 60-low on the Valencia half marathon course with competition.
Apart from the course profile at Melbourne, Buchanan was cruising that day, way out in front.
It was literally all head wind that day, he is a super responder to the Metaspeeds
"All head wind" was not possible given that the start and the finish points of the course were not very far apart at all.
The weather record shows that half mara runners faced a gusty headwind coming from the NNE/N during the later part of the race. Unfortunately for the runners, it looks like there was only a modest tailwind when they were running in the SE/S direction in the early part of the race. There would have been some sections with a diagonal tailwind. Ha ha, as a runner you never notice a light tailwind!!
Still, Buchanan's Melbourne half was likely worth 60-low on a dead flat course in better conditions in full racing mode.
Well Buchanan is an odd case. Nothing really tells you he is going to run 2:06. It doesn’t make sense. Except maybe the super shoes. On the roads he cannot seem to break 29. He did run 1:01:42 in October, but then he essentially runs 1:03:11 twice in a row for his 2:06:22, when he had a best of 1:02:50 before this year, and he is 33. Is he like a Dick Beardsley in super shoes? Maybe so.
You cannot compare the profile of the melbourne HM vs the flat Valencia course
If an earlier post is correct and Buchanan manages a shoe store and teaches part time he must not have much in the line of a support structure. And yet there he is with a faster time than a lot of people who have something of a support structure.
He only recently signed a contract with ASICS... presumably a fairly cheap one. I gather he'll be asking to re-negotiate!
Maybe so but he will be 34 in April. It is unlikely he will be making an Olympic team in the future.
His raw speed (23 sec 200m ) indicates that his 5km and 10km are soft.
The old adage, "for two identical athletes in all respects except speed over 100m, the faster one over 100m will be faster over a marathon" hold true
23 seconds?!! You sure about that?
I think that is a different Andrew Buchanan. That 23.0 on his WA profile is from 2018 in Sacramento CA. Seems unlikely to be the same guy but could be wrong.
For distance runners, age can affect performance in several ways, including: Peak performance For male amateur runners, peak performance is around age 34. For elite athletes, peak performance is around age 29. Performance decline After age 35, runners can expect a decline in performance of 0.5–1% per year. After age 60, the rate of decline increases. Oxygen uptake Oxygen uptake declines by 1–2% per year after age 30. This is due to a decrease in cardiovascular capacity and the ability of muscles to use oxygen. Respiration While respiration rate remains fairly constant with age, it's harder for older runners to extract oxygen with each breath.
Andy BuchananMiddle Distance - 2020 Outdoor: Cancelled due to COVID-19. 2020 Indoor: Did not compete in the 2020 indoor season. 2019 Outdoor: Competed in six
I couldn’t match up the 23:09, but the Californian Buchanan ran a 1:22.85 600m in Flagstaff in January 2019, and World Athletics for the Australian Buchanan lists a 1:22.85 600m PR, that was also run in Flagstaff in January 2019.
I assume that Australian Buchanan didn’t grow up in Milpitas, and never ran a 23:09.
In a bygone era 13:30/28:00 put you on the Olympic team🤣
Realistically the training for a 5k/10k/xc shouldn’t be that different than a marathoner until that specialization phase. For your first 3 years you are going to be focusing on bring up your mileage and volume of workouts. and yes I have seen the programs that push intensity hard.
But yeah the problem is you then hit like 22 and lose all the training support infrastructure. Unless you have a trust fund you need to debate chasing the dream or trying to squish running in around paying the bills.
If an earlier post is correct and Buchanan manages a shoe store and teaches part time he must not have much in the line of a support structure. And yet there he is with a faster time than a lot of people who have something of a support structure.
Sure and compare that to getting a real job and making 150k as an early 30 something. Is chasing the running dream worth it? Is being a shoe store manager that rewarding?
some people chase the dream. A lot do what Martin Heir di and get on with their life. Would a 2:09 ~25 year old turned into a 2:07 30 year old? Who knows. But he decided being a doctor was better. Make a list of all the sub 13:45 dudes and see how many of them were able to grind out another 8 years of hard training to see what type of marathoners they could be and compare that to the number that did it for a year or two and moved on…
I don’t blame either choice. But it important to remember that running a 2:10 doesn’t do much for you in the big picture.
If an earlier post is correct and Buchanan manages a shoe store and teaches part time he must not have much in the line of a support structure. And yet there he is with a faster time than a lot of people who have something of a support structure.
Sure and compare that to getting a real job and making 150k as an early 30 something. Is chasing the running dream worth it? Is being a shoe store manager that rewarding?
some people chase the dream. A lot do what Martin Heir di and get on with their life. Would a 2:09 ~25 year old turned into a 2:07 30 year old? Who knows. But he decided being a doctor was better. Make a list of all the sub 13:45 dudes and see how many of them were able to grind out another 8 years of hard training to see what type of marathoners they could be and compare that to the number that did it for a year or two and moved on…
I don’t blame either choice. But it important to remember that running a 2:10 doesn’t do much for you in the big picture.
I'm not sure what your point is. Mine was just that it is possible to train and race seriously even if you don't get any support. Running a marathon in under 2:10 is probably going to get you some support but if it doesn't you can still train and race seriously.
If an earlier post is correct and Buchanan manages a shoe store and teaches part time he must not have much in the line of a support structure. And yet there he is with a faster time than a lot of people who have something of a support structure.
Sure and compare that to getting a real job and making 150k as an early 30 something. Is chasing the running dream worth it? Is being a shoe store manager that rewarding?
some people chase the dream. A lot do what Martin Heir di and get on with their life. Would a 2:09 ~25 year old turned into a 2:07 30 year old? Who knows. But he decided being a doctor was better. Make a list of all the sub 13:45 dudes and see how many of them were able to grind out another 8 years of hard training to see what type of marathoners they could be and compare that to the number that did it for a year or two and moved on…
I don’t blame either choice. But it important to remember that running a 2:10 doesn’t do much for you in the big picture.
There would be a lot of personal satisfaction from running a 2:10, and there’s nothing wrong at all, with pursuing it for a few years. Each person gets to decide how it fits into the big picture.
I couldn’t match up the 23:09, but the Californian Buchanan ran a 1:22.85 600m in Flagstaff in January 2019, and World Athletics for the Australian Buchanan lists a 1:22.85 600m PR, that was also run in Flagstaff in January 2019.
I assume that Australian Buchanan didn’t grow up in Milpitas, and never ran a 23:09.
Here are the results for the meet in Flagstaff where a Buchanan ran a 1:22.85:
Here are the four marathons that most elite Americans target (or are well-compensated to participate in):
Boston
Chicago
New York
Olympic Trials
Only one of those four is on a consistently fast course, and the conditions for Chicago aren't always ideal. There are so many Americans with great 10k credentials who aren't just taking enough bites at the apple.
If an earlier post is correct and Buchanan manages a shoe store and teaches part time he must not have much in the line of a support structure. And yet there he is with a faster time than a lot of people who have something of a support structure.
He only recently signed a contract with ASICS... presumably a fairly cheap one. I gather he'll be asking to re-negotiate!
I must say, it's great to see ASICS supporting so many Aussie athletes recently... Buchanan, Batt-Doyle, Pompeani, Boudin, etc.
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